First, The myriad of solemn declarations Which state that there is no salvation outside the church, That Sacramental baptism is necessary to become a member Of the church or to have Original Sin removed, Or that sacramental baptism is necessary to be justified. Any teaching contrary to these dogmas is heresy. Just as speaking contrary to the formula for the Blessed Trinity is heresy etc. The church does not need to specifically condemn baptism of desire because it is implicitly done so through the dogmatic definitions of the church. Therefore anyone who obstinately denies that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation is condemned.
This is very nice, but you didn't answer the question.
And if you are to be consistent and logical with this, then you have to anathematize all the Saints that ever taught BOD/BOB, for how can they possibly plead "ignorance" or "good will" on this issue, them being bright theologians who knew Catholic teaching inside-out?
If all you can say is, which is actually what the Dimonds say, "oh they were just erring in good faith. No biggie."
Well then,
how do you know this? How do you know they "didn't know" they were contradicting clear infallible dogmatic teaching? You think they didn't read what they taught against, or carefully considered the matter?
Third, Contrary to what you say the dimond brothers did not give me my beliefs.
You bet they did.
I told you it is a fact that they are the only ones that went so far as to say that BOD/BOB are heretical.
Which is why i asked you to show me anyone of repute who said this. But of course you can't because they are the only ones who say this. Can it be any more clear?
Saying they may be false and erroneous is one thing, but saying they are heretical quite another and demonstrates rashness because logically you would have to say all the ones who taught them were heretics, but like a hypocrite they (you) don't.
They (you) want to have their (your) cake and eat it to.
So I don't care what you say about the diamond brothers because you can only attack them Personally and not refute what they say.
Yeah you don't care they are schismatics and phonies who are not even real monks who sneak in
in cognito dressed as civilians to a Vatican II "mass" una cuм Bergoglio the talking apostate, the very man they condemn as antipope (CAN YOU SAY HYPOCRITES OF THE YEAR?) because you just
like what they say, regardless if whether it's true or not.
And just what is it that "i can't refute" of what they say? I already told you i agree you need to be sacramentally baptized, which they claim too, so what are you talking about?
Nothing.
Last, I would never listen to anything you say because the last time I talk to you you told me that you did not even believe that John 3:5 is literal even though the church clearly teaches that it is. Clearly you don't even know what Catholic teaching is so how are you qualified to say that the dimond brothers don't know either.
Gee whiz you really need to take them off the pedestal you have them in.
Will they vouch for you when you appear in front of the Judgment Seat of Christ?
These people are filled with hate and just the way they speak is not Catholic. Just listen to any of their debates. Oh wait you already have. So that means you fully endorse their non-Catholic atittude.
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