Author Topic: SVs are Bad Because they Dont Name "Pope" in Canon (Read 8173 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #105 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:44:41 PM »

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With all this talk about obedience, SVs openly and deliberately disobey the very Church authority they trumpet their obedience too.

You have this completely backwards; it's R&R that openly and deliberately refuses submission to the Magisterium and Universal discpline of those they claim to be legitimate authorities. SVs assert that they have no authority. I'm not comprehending why this won't sink in.

R&R shmar&R.

You either agree with the Church authority or you disagree. Those who disagree omit his name. Why all the drama is beyond me.

If SVs assert that they have no authority, then by what authority do they disobey the Church authority and omit his name? This is another clear question which I expect will go unanswered.

Stubborn · « **Reply #106 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:59:18 PM »

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You must have missed what I actually wrote.

Far as SVs are concerned, submission includes blind obedience to everything, sinful or not. I've posted this a few times now and since no SV has corrected me, I'm left to believe that this is what they must think. But that is not the way it is.

Crisis or not, as Catholics, we are to submit to everything that is not sinful. And personally, I think these days that some wiggle room is a given. The problem is that everyone has their own idea of what that means.

Then why don't you submit to your pope's Novus Ordo Mass and current code of Canon Law to name a couple of things? Are they sinful? And if you consider them sinful, who are you to decide that your pope's mass and law are sinful?

You do not submit to your pope. But, hey, that's okay because it's not "normal times", right?

Your answer demonstrates that all SVs believe we must submit with blind obedience - far as I am concerned, you speak for all SVs. With that mindset, SVs will never hear what I am saying, but I will say it briefly for the benefit (or further bewilderment for those with the SV mindset) of those who are confused about this matter.

You must have missed the post where I said that I will submit to the pope as pope unless commanded to do something sinful.

I know what sin is. I know right from wrong, I know what offends God whether the pope is pope or not. Since I know these things as stupid as I am, then these things can be known by all.

The new mass is sinful - it is, "The Great Sacrilege". It is sinful because it offends God - that is what sins do, they offend God. I will not offend God at the new mass for the sake of submitting to the pope.

I'm no canon lawyer and rarely delve into canon law, but because the NO is mostly corrupt, why would the new code of canon law not have corruption within it's laws? Yes, I am "judging a book by it's cover".

You use private judgment to determine whether the mass your pope celebrates is sinful. And therefore are guilty of hypocrisy and not fully submitting to your pope.

I am a terrible hypocrite because of disobedience, you've already trumpeted that many times.

You obviously missed this part again, so here it is, again: I will submit to the pope as pope unless commanded to do something sinful.

OTOH, when your pope decrees that you are not to omit his name from the Mass for any reason, by whose authority do you disobey your pope?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #107 on:** September 01, 2015, 07:38:35 PM »

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R&R shmar&R.

Unfortunately, this about sums up the actual doctrinal content of your position.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #108 on:** September 01, 2015, 07:41:22 PM »

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If SVs assert that they have no authority, then by what authority do they disobey the Church authority and omit his name?

Let's just drop it here. This is starting to sound like Adam Sandler's epic response in Billy Madison.