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Questioning Palmar de Troya- and its History

A series of posts taking an in depth look at some aspects of the Palmar de Troya story.  We all know that the biggest attack on Abp. Thuc is through Palmar de Troya.  What actually happened there?  Who were the people behind the story?  Is it possible that it was a set up to discredit Abp. Thuc?

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Palmar de Troya 1968


How it All Started
The supposed apparitions of Palmar de Troya began on March 30, 1968, when four young girls claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary while out picking flowers in the field of La Alcaparrosa, where the Basilica now stands.  The location is 8 miles from the small town of Utrera, and 28 miles from Seville.  In Garabandal, also in Spain, about 300 miles from Palmar de Troya, from 1961 to 1965, four young girls had also claimed to have received visions of the Blessed Virgin.



Soon after in Palmar de Troya, other people also claimed to have miraculous experiences.  Pictured below 2 women with hosts, one bleeding, on their tongues. This activity attracted many people to come and witness what was going on there.  People came from all over, and sometimes there were many thousands.



Attracted by this activity, 2 men from Seville soon appeared on the scene: Clemente Dominguez and Miguel Alonso ("Manolo") Corral.  They came daily and interviewed the people who were experiencing this activity, and took notes on what kind of messages were being given.  They studied the activity for months, and began to sell information on supposed visions to the people gathered there. 



On the left, Manuel Corral, in the center, Clemente Dominguez.  Clemente was said to have a very unusual ability to memorize people, places, and things.  Here he appears to be taking notes. Within a short time, Clemente Dominguez also claimed to have visions, starting on September 30, 1969.





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I've never really looked into Palmar de Troya. Excellent photos. 

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https://magnuslundbergblog.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/palmar-final3.pdf

Caption reads: The first cross.  The first pilgrims.



The Early Days
Starting in September 1969, Clemente Dominguez claimed to have visions.  He had a charismatic personality and was very theatrical in his supposed apparitions.  Manuel Corral took pictures and docuмented everything, and he also started recording the apparitions with a portable recording device. 





Soon Clemente Dominguez was becoming the most popular visionary at Palmar de Troya. Clemente Dominguez had been employed as an accountant, and his friend Manuel Corral was a lawyer, but because they were spending all their time at Palmar de Troya, both soon were unemployed.  How did they survive?  They did very well selling apparition materials and soliciting donations. 


Who is docuмenting this by taking these photos of Clemente and Manuel?

Clemente attracted the attention, and Manuel, who had a masters degree in business administration and public relations, handled the publicity, fund raising, and business aspect of their endeavor. A person who offered much support on a local level to El Palmar de Troya, was the octogenarian Brother Nectario María, a La Salle-priest of Venezuelan origin, who lived in Seville, and had been one of priests who encouraged Clemente and Manual to go to El Palmar in the first place. Br. Nectario María would have an important role as a facilitator of contacts with potential donors, and later became responsible for the group’s finances for some time. But later he opposed the actions of Clemente and Manuel, considering them greedy fraudsters.

Clemente and Corral followed a very specific but productive strategy: instead of wasting time giving out leaflets on street corners, they directly targeted circles already involved in ultra-traditionalist Catholicism who were opposed to the changes of Vatican II sweeping through the Church.  This was reflected in the content of the messages of the supposed apparitions of Clemente Dominguez.