Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 370018 times)

Persto · « **Reply #805 on:** August 30, 2026, 08:11:43 AM »

This is the Carthage English letter:

How Do the 2 Carthage Letters (English and French) Compare?

Supposedly written on the same day: July 11, 1984- but on different typewriters- why? The English Letter is typed on a newer electric typewriter, and the French letter on an old manual Elite.

Faint traces of type besides the actual typed letter:
If you look closely at the English letter above, you can see faint traces of type- but it is not backward like the French letter- it is going in the same direction- however it appears to be written in French. Here is a close up:

The Recipients:
Usually a letter is addressed to a recipient, and the person or entity is the first thing in the letter- but here we do not know who is being addressed in the letters.
English letter- No name and doesn't appear to be directed to the Vatican. Only in the text of the letter does it address some vague "you"

French letter- no name, generic brother in Christ:

The Name and signatures are different:

The English letter: Peter Ngo dinh Thuc - with no title of Archbishop in the signature. Abp. Thuc always used his title with his signature.

The French letter: Pierre Martin Ngo dinh Thuc and title of Archbishop

Comparing the signatures that were supposedly signed the same day:

Persto · « **Reply #806 on:** **Yesterday** at 08:08:08 AM »

How Does the Content of the 2 letters Compare?

It makes sense that 2 letters written on the same day would use similar wording and have similar content. Here is what we find:

English letter 1st paragraph:

French letter 1st paragraph:

Comments:
English letter: illegitimately ordaining
French letter: illicitly ordained
Besides using the different words above, why do both letters say ordaining instead of consecrating?

English letter: retract errors of 1981 ordinations, Munich declaration denying V2, NO mass, and JPII legitimacy
French letter: regret having done evil against intention of JPII and will of Church, quotes code of canon law
Very different wording, and one mentions Munich declaration- no mention in the other, one mentions code of canon law and no mention in the other. One mentions V2 and NO mass, the other no mention.

English 2nd paragraph:

French 2nd paragraph:

Both letters use the word scandal, but the French letter adds the word damages
French letter says: the "evil declarations made at Munich." regarding V2 and JPII and ordinations
English letter: asks for forgiveness and prayers- (from whom?)

English 3rd paragraph:

French 3rd paragraph:

English: Exhort, retract their error, ordaining bishops and priests, false status, reconciling with JPII
French: Deplore everything, pardon me for causing so much evil, anguish, leave your actual error, reconcile soon with Church

English 4th paragraph and closing:

French 4th paragraph:

English: Asks compassion and supportive prayers, gives thanks and abundant blessings (to whom?)," In Christ and His Blessed Mother". Signs "Abp"
French: Asks God's pardon of mistakes and errors that caused damages to the Church." Peace of Christ and His Church be with us soon". Sends prayers and affection, former "Abp. of Hue"

Conclusions: The 2 letters use different wording and paragraph structure. Basic content also varies. In both letters the word "ordaining" is used instead of "consecrating" which seems to betray a lack of understanding. Both letters are addressed to an anonymous recipient. There is a lack of continuity between the voice of the 2 letters, since they express a similar sentiment with different words and phrases. The use of the word "evil" repeated 3 times in the French letter is strikingly different than the English letter. The lack of consistency between the two letters is also demonstrated by the use of different titles used with the signature. The credibility of the 2 letters is highly doubtful, since it is claimed they were written by the same person, on the same day, on 2 different typewriters, and signed with 2 different signatures.

Persto · « **Reply #807 on:** **Today** at 10:09:17 AM »

https://cmri.org/indice-en-espanol/declaracion-del-arzobispo-ngo-dinh-thuc/

The Munich Declaration Was Targeted in Both the Carthage Letters:

French:
English:

Here is the text of the Munich Declaration:
How does the Catholic Church appear today as we observe it?
In Rome, John Paul II reigns as “Pope” surrounded by the body of Cardinals and many bishops and prelates. Outside Rome, the Catholic Church appears to be flourishing, along with its bishops and priests.
The number of Catholics is large. Mass is celebrated daily in many churches and on Sundays, the churches are filled with so many faithful who come to hear Mass and receive Holy Communion.

But the sight of God, how does the church appear? Are the masses —both daily or those people attend on Sundays — pleasing to God? In no way, because the Mass is the same for Catholics as for Protestants — Therefore unpleasant to God and invalid. The only Mass that pleases God is the Mass of Saint Pius V, which is offered by few priests and bishops, among whom I count myself.

Therefore, as far as I can, I will open seminaries to educate candidates for this priesthood that is pleasing to God.
In addition to the “Mass,” lime does not please God, there are many other things that God rejects: for example, changes in the ordination of priests, as well as in the sacraments of Confirmation and Extreme Unction.
Even more, the “priests” now become attached:

1) To Modernism
2) To false Ecuмenism
3) The adoration [or cult] of man;
4) To the freedom to embrace any religion;
5) Resistance to condemning heresy and expelling heretics.

Consequently, because I am until now a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church. I consider that the Chair of the Roman Catholic Church is vacant; and it is up to me, as bishop, to do everything necessary for the Catholic and Roman Church to endure in its mission for the salvation of souls.

February 25, 1982
Munich
+ Peter Martin Ngo-ding-Tuch
Archbishop

Incredulous · « **Reply #808 on:** **Today** at 09:32:25 PM »

The Munich Declaration is a historic docuмent in the 20th Century battle between Jerusalem and Babylon.

I'd like to have a framed replica along with a nice photo of the Archbishop on my wall.

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