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Persto · « **Reply #580 on:** July 10, 2026, 01:04:57 PM »

https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/reflections-on-the-life-of-archbishop-pierre-martin-ngo-dinh-thuc/

The Legacy of a Humble Man:
Reflections on the Life of Abp. Pierre Martin Ngô dinh Thuc
Compiled by the Staff of The Reign of Mary, published in No. 134, Spring 2009

Pierre Martin Ngô Dinh Thuc was born on October 6, 1897, to one of the leading Catholic families in Vietnam. The deeply religious atmosphere of the Ngô household is evidenced by Pierre’s entrance at the age of 12 into a minor seminary, where he spent eight years before going on to the major seminary in Hue. He was ordained on December 20, 1925, and was sent to teach at the Sorbonne in Paris. Before long Pierre Martin was selected to continue his studies in Rome, where he obtained doctorates in canon law, theology and philosophy. When he returned to Hue in 1927, he became a professor both at the major seminary and at the College of Divine Providence. At the age of 41, Pierre Martin was appointed Apostolic Vicar of Vinh-long and was consecrated on May 4, 1938. While serving in this capacity, he not only laid the foundation of the diocese but also established the University of Dalat.

Meanwhile, from as early as 1930, Vietnam had become a battleground as Communists fought for control of the country. The Ngô family, which had always been intensely Catholic, became known for being fiercely anti-Communist. One of Archbishop Thuc’s brothers, Ngô Dinh Kho, was buried alive shortly after the close of World War II for refusing to become a minister in the first Communist government. His younger brother, Ngô Dinh Diem, became the first president of South Vietnam in 1955, and it was his Catholicism and anti-Communism that eventually led to the overthrow of his government at the hands of the CIA-led rebels.

In 1962 Archbishop Thuc was called to Rome for the Second Vatican Council. In his absence a coup d’etat took place that led to the assassinations of Ngô Dinh Diem and another brother, Ngô Dinh Ngu, on November 1, 1963. The Archbishop was not allowed to return to his see at the close of the Council. The government that had toppled the regime of his brother would not allow him back into the country, nor did Paul VI feel kindly disposed to this traditional and anti-Communist archbishop. He was left to himself to find a place to stay and a means of support.

Eventually, Archbishop Thuc moved to Toulon in southern France. He was becoming more keenly aware of the destruction that was occurring within the Church as a result of Vatican II, and he eventually realized that the final responsibility for the heretical changes afflicting the Church had to rest in the highest levels of the hierarchy. It became clear to him that the men who had occupied the Chair of St. Peter since the death of Pope Pius XII, the men who had brought about the destruction of the Mass and the sacraments, the men who had promulgated and implemented the heretical decrees of Vatican Council II, and who were leading so many souls to certain ruin could not really be true Popes, the legitimate successors of St. Peter. Archbishop Thuc evidenced no disloyalty to the Papacy in reaching this conclusion.

Rather, it was his deep love and understanding of the Catholic Faith and his solid theological training that made it impossible for him to accept a public heretic as the true Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Jesus Christ. As he keenly felt his obligation before God to ensure that the valid apostolic succession was preserved, he consecrated the eminent French theologian Fr. Guerard des Lauriers, O.P., a bishop on May 7, 1981. Msgr. des Lauriers is well known for his role in writing the Ottaviani Intervention in the late 1960’s (an exposé of the errors of the Novus Ordo Missae); he was a professor at the Angelicuм in Rome and an assistant to Pope Pius XII when He promulgated the dogma of the Assumption of Our Lady. On October 17 of that same year, Archbishop Thuc consecrated two Mexican priests and former seminary professors, Fr. Moises Carmona y Rivera and Fr. Adolfo Zamora Hernandez. Both were sedevacantists and had been leaders in the traditional Catholic movement in Mexico for many years.

In February of 1982, the Archbishop made his position public. While visiting St. Michael’s Church in Munich, he issued a declaration that the Holy See was vacant. The authorities of the postconciliar Church were infuriated, and quickly drew up and published decrees of excommunication in an attempt to discredit the Archbishop and the bishops he consecrated. Is it not significant that the anathemas of the modernist Church were not hurled against the Kungs, the Rahners, nor against the perverters of tradition and the liturgy? The censures, the excommunications and anathemas are reserved for those with the courage to take positive steps to preserve and safeguard the true Church of Christ.

Archbishop Thuc was quite alone in his courageous stand. Even Msgr. Marcel Lefebvre failed to evidence such uncompromising loyalty to the teachings of the Councils and Fathers of the Catholic Church. Archbishop Thuc realized that one could not remain faithful to the Faith while recognizing the archheretics of Rome as legitimate pontiffs. As a result of his undying loyalty to the Church, the Archbishop has been much maligned by the post-conciliar modernist establishment and by some “traditional” Catholics as well. “Blessed are you when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you untruly, for My sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven” (Matt. 5: 11-12).

After the events in Munich, Archbishop Thuc returned to France and then traveled to the United States, where he took up residence in the Franciscan monastery of Bishop Louis Vezelis. From here, the Archbishop was abducted by a group of Vietnamese and taken to a seminary in Missouri, where he was shielded from contact with any traditional clergy.
Our Blessed Savior called Archbishop Thuc to his reward on December 13, 1984. The Conciliar Church waited until well after his death to announce that he had “recanted” his errors, repented of his actions, and called upon those he had consecrated to return to the “unity of the Church.” The same men who destroyed the Mass and the sacraments, the same men who deceitfully led millions of Catholics into a false religion, the same men who tampered with the words of consecration in the Mass — the very words of our Blessed Savior Himself — waited until the Archbishop’s death before they proceeded to contradict the traditional position he had previously held.

It has been twenty-five years since the death of Archbishop Thuc, but his legacy lives on. It is due to his faith and courage that there are still Catholic bishops today, who, without compromising with the Conciliar Church, continue to ordain priests so that the faithful may be provided with the sacraments. While it must be acknowledged that he consecrated some individuals who should never have been elevated to the episcopacy, the evidence is clear that he was a good man who was abused by some who took advantage of his trusting nature. Even when elderly and living alone in a tiny apartment, he remained dedicated to his priesthood, offering Mass devoutly every day and often hearing confessions for many hours. And let it not be forgotten that during all those years of confusion after Vatican II, he was the ONLY bishop who had the courage to make a public statement that John Paul II was not a true Pope.

Persto · « **Reply #581 on:** July 11, 2026, 12:24:15 PM »

https://quynhtramvietnam.blogspot.com/2013/01/118-hinh-anh-quy-hiem-cua-co-tong-thong.html

President Diem at Mass

Caption:
11-2-1971 Saigon
Crowd gathers in front of portrait of late President Ngo Dinh Diem during memorial services in his honor here November 2nd. Diem was slain in a 1963 coup that touched off years of political tormoil. The large turnout marked the first time that the South Vietnamese government has officially sanctioned a memorial service for Diem.

Persto · « **Reply #582 on:** July 11, 2026, 02:50:32 PM »

Quote from: Persto on July 08, 2026, 01:17:59 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20190619013324/https://giaophanphucuong.org/gioi-thieu/cac-vi-chu-chan-cua-giao-phan-10311.html
Who Was This Mystery Bishop?
Fr. Miller testifies:
"We returned to Washington, D.C., to the same hotel, where a Vietnamese bishop greeted us...his valet at one time. I don't remember if it was in Vietnam or while he was in Rome. These were men he had either been an archbishop to, or had elevated to the bishopric to make them bishops. But they were all Novus Ordo. And they were stationed at Conception, Carthage, Missouri...

Was this Bishop Cua who Greeted Them?
Bp. Cua was residing at the time at the Carthage monastery in Missouri with Fr. Thiep and Fr. Dien, and the rest of the members (see photo below of Bp. Cua in Carthage). It seems like he was also part of the plan. Bp. Cua had been ordained a deacon by Abp. Thuc in 1941. However, he had been chosen as an Auxiliary Bishop under PVI when PVI was appointing Communist friendly candidates. Bp Cua traveled extensively outside of Vietnam, even while an Auxiliary Bishop in Vietnam. He developed a heart problem, and officially retired as Auxiliary Bishop in Vietnam in 1982. From then on he lived outside of Vietnam, especially in Carthage, Missouri, during this crucial time in the life of Abp. Thuc.
Bp. Cua is known to have visited the Vietnamese Buddhist monks in France. The head of these monks was named Thich Nhat Hanh, and was suspected by some of aiding the Communist government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Nh%E1%BA%A5t_H%E1%BA%A1nh#Explanatory_notes

Center Bp. Cua and at right Fr. Thiep

From the above biography of Bp. Cua:

1958-1964 Bp. Cua went to France to learn about and live with the Ho Chi Minh Buddhist Association French Love (Foyer de Charite). (6 years!)

The Buddhist group founded in 1958 in France was the Association Bouddhiste de France, established by Thich Nhat Hanh during his visits to the country. This organization laid the groundwork for the later development of Plum Village, the monastery and meditation center near Bordeaux founded by Thich Nhat Hanh in 1982.

https://vn-buddhist.blogspot.com/2013/02/thich-nhat-hanh-kp-agent-in-monks-robes.html
This source linked above, and others particularly from Vietnamese diaspora communities opposed to the communist government, describe him as a "KP agent in monk's robes" who allegedly furthered communist propaganda during the Vietnam War.

"According to the CIA, he was a cadre who helped infiltrate South Vietnam and staged events like monk self-immolations to turn global opinion against the South Vietnamese government and the U.S. involvement.

To gain an overview of the Communist Party´s cadres in monk's robes, Thich Nhat Hanh & Co. and the UBCV following CIA docuмent is very revealing:

Situation appraisal of Buddhism as a Political ForceCurrent During Election Period Extending through September 1967 - May 4, 1967.

Language: English, Docuмent Pages: 13, Date: 04 May 1967 Collection: Central Intelligence Agency Collection, Media Type: Docuмent, (pdf.) Full Text: Full text is available for this item. Return to the Virtual Vietnam Archive and search for Item Number: 04,109,128,007th Go to the More Information section and change to the full-text view;. View Item: situation appraisal of Buddhism as a Political Force Current During Election Period Extending through September 1967, 04 May 1967, Folder 128, Box 09, Central Intelligence Agency Collection The Vietnam Center and Archive, Texas Tech University. Accessed 21 Aug. 2012th

10. "In the background the coup had the approval of the American side by the CIA, which wanted to exploit this movement for their interests. At that time, the U.S. wanted to intervene in the war-related events directly and was not about providing indirect military assistance by supplying weapons and advisers. Consequently, a disempowerment of the South Vietnamese president met with their strategy. After a successful coup against the South Vietnamese, with the help of the CIA, KP agent Thich Tri Quang continued his strategy to direct the South Vietnamese Buddhist population in his spirit, this time by causing unrest against the new temporary "military government" and the Americans. However, his strategy was seen through. He was overthrown by the South Vietnamese and the CIA and put behind bars. He managed to get released relatively quickly through the help of accomplices within the circle of influence of the South Vietnamese government and from then on acted for the Communist side."

"CP cadres, monks like Thich Nhat Hanh, Thich Quang Do and the UBCV worldwide, including also Thich Nhu Dien in Germany and others are trembling at the work of the committee and the published books (about the investigation into the massacre of civilians of the Tet Offensive in Hue in 1968). The disguised leading cadres-agents in the U.S. and abroad control their accomplices, as the "Buddhist families" and try desperately to obstruct the work of the committee. They are proceeding with the most unscrupulous methods, such as murder threats, targeted killings by hit squads, etc. The most recent example happened in early August 2012 in the USA: the above-mentioned committee chairman barely escaped a targeted head shot from a distant (yet unknown) hideout. The U.S. safety authority is investigating this incident."

25." The UBCV was founded by the Communist Party in 1964 in South Vietnam. The strategy of the Communist Party to abuse religion and Buddhism as a protective shield goes back to Ho Chi Minh in the '40s. The strategy of the Communist Party was always to integrate communism so deeply into Buddhism that they would become untangleable. Therefore, communist cadres in monk's robes and also laymen, have been trained to distort, for example, Buddhist sutras. All kinds of "Buddhist groups" were established: from children's clubs, youth clubs, to "Buddhist family" to muster the Buddhists. The youths were trained similar to the military, in order to use them as "Buddhist" youths for military purposes. As part of this targeted collection/grouping for centralized control of the Buddhist population, the authentic Buddhist masters were separated from their students, isolated and finally eliminated by force. All monks and nuns were dispossessed, forced to give up their practice and were almost completely removed from the religious life so that eventually communist cadres in monk's robes resided almost exclusively in the pagodas. Only a few Buddhist masters and students were kept under house arrest. On the one hand, this should give an impression of religious repression in Vietnam. This meant that the cadre - agents of the CP - through their staged, apparent "fight" for "religious freedom fighters / peace activists" could attain the status of "dissident" abroad (e.g. Thich Nhat Hanh and Thich Quang Do). Secondly, the propaganda machine of the CP was working hard in order to spread the image of "religious freedom” existing in North Vietnam. The hollowed-out "Buddhist Church" (UBCV), which now followed the ideology of the Communist Party, though is not as of yet trustworthy enough to the Communist Party so that it came under a direct authority by the Communist Party through the so-called 'Southern National - Liberation Front'."

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #583 on:** July 11, 2026, 03:15:55 PM »

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Persto · « **Reply #584 on:** July 12, 2026, 04:55:55 PM »

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