Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 110890 times)

Persto · « **Reply #560 on:** July 05, 2026, 01:09:42 PM »

https://thanhnien.vn/ti-phu-nguoi-my-goc-viet-tran-dinh-truong-qua-doi-o-new-york-185411108.htm

Vietnamese-American billionaire Tran Dinh Truong has passed away in New York
May 10, 2012 00:25
(TNO) Mr. Tran Dinh Truong, a billionaire who owned many hotels in New York, passed away on Monday, May 7, 2012 (Vietnam time) in New York City, USA, at the age of 81. Mr. Truong suffered a stroke and has been bedridden for several years.

Mr Tran Dinh Truong, was born in 1932 in Ky Anh district, Ha Tinh province. Prior to 1975, he owned Vishipco Line in Saigon, which included the ships Truong Xuan, Truong Thanh, Bong Hong 9, Sao Mai, Patrick, Truong Vinh, Truong Hai, and Truong Sinh.

After 1975, Mr. Truong moved to the United States and started his business with his first hotel, the Hotel Opera, in Upper Manhattan. Later, he opened the Carter Hotel in Central Manhattan and the Hotel Lafayette in Buffafo, New York.

Today, Tran Group Management, LLC manages and leases a network of hotels such as Quality Inn Downtown, Best Western (Baltimore), is building the Crown Hotel in Baltimore, and is promoting the construction of a 200-room hotel on Market Street in Philadelphia.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #561 on:** July 06, 2026, 02:50:20 AM »

Archbishop Thuc said the Novus Ordo towards the end and repented of his Traditionalism.

Persto · « **Reply #562 on:** July 06, 2026, 02:52:31 PM »

https://www.cathinfo.com/video-texts/archbishop-thuc-a-great-man/
The Involvement of Mr. Tran in Apb. Thuc's kidnapping According to Fr. Miller's Testimony:
"News of his (Abp. Thuc's) presence got a little bit more widespread because we hadn't made a big splash about his presence in Rochester. And one of the men who learned of him was Mr. Tran."

"Mr. Tran, who was owner of the Hotel Carter in New York, New York, and also owned a hotel in Buffalo, New York, had occasion to drive between the two cities back and forth. The hotel in Buffalo was the Hotel Roosevelt. Mr. Tran was a self-made man who came to own the Hotel Carter, which was considered a welfare hotel. Catholic charities would send him clients, and he would put them up before moving them into other housing in the city."

Mr. Tran visited Abp. Thuc and invited him to New York City:
"Mr. Tran visited us and we became acquainted. On his second visit, he asked the Archbishop to spend Chinese New Year in New York City. This would occur in mid-January, a few weeks after our New Year, making it a nice break. I told Bishop Louis (Vezelis) it wasn’t a good idea, and he said I was too fearful. I agreed but made my point clear: the Archbishop should fly, as a seven-hour drive for an eighty-four-year-old (He was actually 86) would be too taxing. At least one of us should accompany him to ensure his safety."

Mr. Tran came personally to pick up Abp. Thuc in his stretch limo to take him to NYC:
"I insisted on setting conditions for the trip: a flight, not a drive, and someone to accompany him. Mr. Tran agreed, and arrangements were made. We departed from the monastery in a stretch limo."

Mr. Tran prevented the agreed upon, pre-arranged flight plans:
"As we drove, we debated the route to the airport. We passed the first street, and I suggested taking it, but Mr. Tran insisted we take the second street. We turned left instead of right toward the airport. I reminded him the flight was to the right, and we would miss it. He dismissed the concern, saying we would drive to Syracuse instead."

Due to Mr. Tran, no flight was taken:
"I argued that we had agreed to fly from Rochester, but he insisted the limo was comfortable and the Archbishop would be fine. I pointed out the flight was at 11:30 PM, and we would miss it. He refused to reconsider, and I realized I had no control over the situation. We drove to Syracuse, where we found a flight at 1:30 AM. The airline was unreliable, and we waited an hour and a half. I urged us to get a room to avoid keeping the Archbishop up. I was certain they were disregarding his health, as they were feeding him excessive candy. The next morning, we had breakfast and Mass, then returned to New York City. I called Rochester to report the Archbishop’s condition, expressing my concerns and urging immediate action."

Mr. Tran tried to get Abp. Thuc to stay for a "future celebration":
Mr. Tran mentioned a future celebration for the Archbishop, but I insisted he needed to return home. We remained in New York, and Bishop Lewis softened his stance by Wednesday or Thursday, claiming the Archbishop was fine.

When Mr. Tran brought Abp. Thuc to NYC, Abp. Thuc was taken by Mr. Tran (without notice) to Novus Ordo Vietnamese clergy and the whole group went to a pre-arranged meeting with the Apostolic Nuncio, Pio Laghi (a mason):
"We returned to Washington, D.C., to the same hotel, where a Vietnamese bishop greeted us...his valet at one time. I don't remember if he was in Vietnam or while he was in Rome. These were men he had either been an archbishop to, or had elevated to the bishopric to make them bishops. But they were all Novus Ordo. And they were stationed at Conception, Carthage, Missouri. I think it's called Immaculate Conception Seminary, which is now the Vietnamese home base for a religious community. And I was a little befuddled at that. What are they doing here? Why are they here? Oh, we're going to the apostolic delegate's office. And I said, does the archbishop know this? Oh, he's OK with it, I was told. And I said, Your Excellency, do you really want to go see the apostolic delegate? They said, it'll be all right. By this time, he (Abp. Thuc) knew he was out of control and he was going to be politically careful, guarded."

"We departed the hotel and arrived there...We entered the apostolic delegate's office...We were led into that second parlor. And there the apostolic delegate greeted us. The archbishop sat at the end of a couch, a sofa. The apostolic delegate sat in the middle of the couch, and Mr. Tran sat on his right. There was a bishop, and he sat in an armchair to the left of the archbishop. The conversation began. Many pleasantries... of one another meeting on previous occasions."

Abp. Thuc was pressured to sign a paper at the Apostolic Nuncio's:
"And eventually they put before the archbishop a piece of paper. It said, would you like to return? You may return. Why don't you sign this piece of paper? And the archbishop said, I don't think so. And they went on with a couple of other conversations. And we had been in the room perhaps 40 minutes. And I said, Your Excellency, in a slight lull, I said, Your Excellency, are you tired? Would you like to go? And he said, yes. And I said, it's the time for the archbishop's normal nap. Please, would you excuse us? And at that moment, the Apostolic Delegate and I reached down to give my hand to the archbishop. So I had moved around the lamp stand, and I put my hand out for the archbishop. And he reached up to me."

The Apostolic Delegate, Pio Laghi, did not let Abp. Thuc leave:
"The apostolic delegate took his left arm, put it across the lap of the archbishop. No. And pulled him down and said, if you're not going to be a gentleman, you had better leave the room. And I said, the archbishop is tired. This is the normal time for him to have a rest. It has been a long day already. We've traveled. Please, may he go? And the apostolic delegate repeated himself. I think you had better go since you're not acting like a gentleman. Not knowing what to do or say next. And so I took myself out of the room. I said, Your Excellency, would you like to leave the room? And he didn't say anything. Silence. No reaction because he knew there was nothing that could be done."

Fr. Miller was forced to leave the room and was not let back in:
"I departed the room and (found a phone) I went to the phone and picked it up. I called Bishop Louis Vezelis and I told him what had transpired, where we were. And I said, What am I to do? And he said, Get back in the room. Make sure he doesn't sign anything. And I said, How can I stop him if he wanted to? I can't control anything. He said, Try and get back in and just witness what's going on. They did not let me back in the room."

Pio Laghi strong armed Abp. Thuc:
"The Archbishop, after maybe another 10 or 15 minutes, came out of the room being held by the apostolic delegate. The apostolic delegate had him in such a way that he was controlling the Archbishop's arm. And I walked up to him and followed beside him...said our goodbyes in the entrance hall, stepped out of the apostolic delegate's office, at which point they (Vietnamese) attempted to keep me separated from the Archbishop. I said, Absolutely no. I will ride with the Archbishop. There's no way you're separating me."

Mr. Tran with 2 limos, his son, his private security people, as well as NO Vietnamese clergy transported Abp. Thuc:
"So we got into the two limos at this point. Mr. Tran and his family were in the second limo. The bishop, Archbishop, the bishop and the priest and myself, the two priests and myself were in the first limo. Mr. Tran's son was in the front seat and we began making our departure."

The Novus Ordo Vietnamese Bp. admitted they had planned the abduction:
"And I asked...how long have you planned this? And the bishop said, 'We've planned this a very, very long time. We want the Archbishop.' "

Mr. Tran had Abp. Thuc constantly guarded by his private security:
"(At a)...restaurant and I sat beside the Archbishop and we ate. I had no appetite. The Archbishop wanted to go into the men's room and they kept two men beside us the whole time. We were not permitted any privacy whatsoever. I realized at that time I was a prisoner. There was no leaving me alone. We went to the hotel and at the hotel I went up with the Archbishop. They kept a man at the door. We prepared for supper because this was the evening where we were supposed to be a public event... (at a) place called Martha Washington's Convention or Party House, something like that. It was a room about the size of this room and the room was filled. Maybe it was a little larger than this because there was a larger crowd. And the Archbishop obviously knew a great number of these. This was the diplomatic corps and the elites of Vietnam. And they were there to honor the Archbishop, I was told. And he was sat on the dais at the front."

Abp. Thuc told Fr. Miller they needed to get away, but Fr. Miller had been poisoned and couldn't move:
"I was placed to the back at a table with a few souls that I didn't know. And we ate and made our departure after perhaps two and a half hours. Got back to the hotel. And as we entered into the hotel room with someone watching at the door, the Archbishop looked at me and he said, we have got to get out of here now. And I looked at him, I said, Your Excellency, there's someone watching us at the door. How can we do this? And within a few minutes of entering the room, I was incapacitated. I could not stand. I could only crawl. The room was spinning around. I think I was poisoned because I've looked into various ways. And you have to remember, I'm dealing with people who had fought a war in Vietnam. These are people who were in the intelligentsia. They were used to knocking people off. They were used to all kinds of nefarious actions. I was incapacitated for hours. I could do nothing. And he said, no, these are wicked people. These are evil people. We have got to leave here now. And I said, Your Excellency, we can't do it. I can't even walk. I said, let's at least try and get some sleep and see if we can do something in the morning."

The Vietnamese clergy were also guarding Abp. Thuc:
"There was someone watching at the two ends of the hall. And so I realized there was no way for us to get out. So I returned to the room. We went back to New York City. And I was never left alone with the Archbishop from that time forward. In fact, the Vietnamese clergy came in to the suite that had been given to us. It was one room with two bedrooms. There was a bedroom here, a slight hallway, a bathroom and a second bedroom. I had the second bedroom. He had the larger bedroom. And then there was a parlor with sofas. They always get someone in that parlor. We could not leave the hotel room without going through this man. And so when we returned the next morning, we had Mass. Some of the family came and the Archbishop said, Jay fatigue. I must go back to bed. I'm tired. He did not get up out of that bed except to go to the restroom. He ate whatever they wanted. They kept feeding him poison. I could not get him out of the bed. It was one interval where they made a departure. And I said, Your Excellency, we have got to get out of here now. This is our chance..."

Fr. Miller took advantage of an opportunity, and fled with Abp. Thuc- but they were apprehended by Mr. Tran's men in a nearby restaurant:
"So I said, OK, this is what I'll do. I'll get him onto the elevator. I'll take him down to the second or third floor. We'll walk the last three floors and we're going to go out the escape... I went to the escape. I got out onto the street with the Archbishop and we began walking down the street. And he said, Je fatigue, couldn't go any further. And I thought, we've got to get at least half a block away before I call a cab. There were no cabs close by. There was nothing close by. So I thought, OK, we'll try and get into a restaurant. We'll slip into a restaurant. And maybe he can sit for a few minutes, get a cup of tea or something, and maybe we can try again. We slipped into the restaurant and we had ordered a cup of coffee and immediately the guards showed up. And from that time forward, I was no longer permitted in his room."

Mr. Tran held Fr. Miller and Abp. Thuc as prisoners in his hotel:
"And so now I was separated from the Archbishop. I was on the 24th story of the Hotel Carter in New York City. I could not call out because every phone call that I attempted was cut off and I was alone. So I resolved I will leave the hotel. I will go out and I'll find someone who could come in and change the situation. So I tried once more to call. Do we need to stop? By this time, I had stopped eating the food that they served me. Because I didn't trust the food. I ate only things that were packaged or things that were that I could see through that I didn't smell funny or anything. And I was getting sick. And so I stayed with the Archbishop as much as I can and tried to stay. They didn't permit me to stay in the room with him. Therefore, I stayed in the little parlor room and sat there and tried to go in and see him as often as I could to let him know that I was there."

When Bp. Vezelis arrived, Mr. Tran did not let Abp. Thuc leave:
"This persisted from Monday until about Thursday, by which time I had been eating almost nothing. Bp. Louis (Vezelis) showed up on Wednesday and he made absolutely no progress...(dealing with) Mr. Tran, because Mr. Tran said, oh no, there's another event this weekend. It's going to be fine. We'll return to Rochester. Don't worry. Right. Like I'm going to believe you. So I told Bishop Louis (Vezelis), who was finally believing me, that there's nothing we can do. I can't see a way out. We called the police to try and declare that perhaps this was a kidnapping. But when the police came to see the Archbishop, he was told, they said, well, do you want to stay here, Bishop? And his answer was, j'ai fati, je reste ici. I am tired. I cannot move. I must stay here. And that was his real answer. And that is how I last saw him. The Archbishop never was permitted to see another traditional Catholic. Never. No one who ever attempted to see him ever was permitted to see him again. They say that he was reconciled to the church. I don't believe it because he had told me many times, I will not deny that work which God gave and put before me."

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #563 on:** July 06, 2026, 03:52:58 PM »

He said the Novus Ordo.

Incredulous · « **Reply #564 on:** July 07, 2026, 10:18:55 AM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on July 06, 2026, 03:52:58 PM

He said the Novus Ordo.

+ABL said it for 18 months.

You want the exact time period voodoo boy?

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