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Online Persto

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« Reply #330 on: Yesterday at 01:01:33 PM »
Quote from: Persto on May 30, 2026, 08:06:12 AM
https://www.cathinfo.com/video-texts/the-truth-about-archbishop-thuc-(part-2)-the-original-docuмents!-79873/


The Testimony of Dr. Heller to Fr. Zepeda
"People can claim it, but they lie. This person is mentally sick, and that's the end of it. As opposed to, he has to sign a piece of paper, or print out papers, docuмents for him to sign, because you can't ask somebody who is mentally sick to sign a paper, okay? So, even the Vatican doesn't accept that idea that he was sick. Secondly, as I have the picture of Cardinal Law (a bishop in 1984), you know, that's obviously his name,... but the aspect of this is a high official in the United States in 1984 going to him, and they are together, having pictures taken in full regalia. Now, tell me, who, as a high official, would go take his picture with someone who is crazy? Right? So, when they say that, but he's not in his right mind, like he said, they say it, and then hope it sticks. If they say it enough times, they believe it, right?


The next thing is, the bishops who succeeded in Vietnam were consecrated by Thuc. And they continued. So if there's a question, he was crazy, then are you going to say those are also not valid? That's why my whole thing is the Vatican has not questioned his mental abilities."

Note: Dr. Heller was a leader of the resistance to the Conciliar church.  He knew Abp. Thuc personally, and was present at the Episcopal consecrations of Abp. Thuc of Gerard de Lauriers and Carmona and Zamora.
On April 30, 1975, 185 members – about half of the Congregation of the Mother Coredemptrix (CMC)– left Vietnam as boat people just before the Fall of Saigon. They arrived in the United States and there was a big resettlement center for Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees in Arkansas at Fort Chaffee.  A chaplain at the base connected the group with then-Bishop (Cardinal) Bernard Law of the Diocese of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, Missouri. “The bishop … [found] out about us and he sponsored us into his diocese.” The group then moved to Carthage, Missouri to stay at the vacant Oblates of Mary Immaculate (OMI) Seminary, which the Bishop invited them to purchase for $1 to use as their monastery.

Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục died at the monastery in 1984.
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« Reply #331 on: Yesterday at 03:33:25 PM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 28, 2026, 11:10:58 AM
So so sad that he went crazy towards the end.

He didn't really go crazy ... just look at his eyes on that very last photo (posted not too far above).  He's clearly got that glazed look in the eye of having been drugged.

He was perfectly lucid until they kidnapped him toward the end, but he had performed the consecrations 3 years prior.
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« Reply #332 on: Today at 12:07:15 PM »
oh goodness...
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« Reply #333 on: Today at 12:37:45 PM »

So, newChurch Vietnamese drugged Archbishop Thuc... but what's the Cabbage Patch boy's excuse?


:popcorn:
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« Reply #334 on: Today at 12:51:54 PM »

Bp. Law & Novus Ordo mass- Abp. Thuc Clearly Not Even Concelebrating
This picture speaks volumes - Here is a Novus Ordo Bishop Law- come to the monastery to visit- surely a momentous occasion for this Vietnamese community.  He is the main celebrant in this photo.  and notice that Abp. Thuc is not participating in this "mass"- although 3 other Vietnamese priests are concelebrating.

On January 11, 1984, Law was appointed Archbishop of Boston by Pope John Paul II, and was installed on March 23, 1984.  That means that this photo was taken sometime before that.  Law was ordained a priest in 1961.  Paul VI named Law bishop of the Springfield–Cape Girardeau in Missouri on October 22, 1973, and he was consecrated on December 5 of that year.

There are no photos of Abp. Thuc offering a Novus Ordo mass.  They do not exist.  There is only one other photo of Abp. Thuc dressed in Novus Ordo mass vestments receiving the "gifts" but it is not a photo of him offering a Novus Ordo mass- that is only an assumption that people make when they see the photo.  Proof that he offered a Novus Ordo mass would necessitate an actual photo of him at the altar as main celebrant- which doesn't exist. 
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