Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 21560 times)

Persto · « **Reply #315 on:** May 27, 2026, 07:35:58 PM »

https://jmjsite.com/speechofbpmusey4-22-85.pdf
p.29-30

Background note: Abp. Thuc had been initially invited to attend a Vietnamese dinner banquet in New York. However, this was just a pretext used by a group of Vietnamese, to get him to leave the Rochester Seminary of Bp. Vezelis. Instead Abp. Thuc was taken to Washington to the Apostolic Delegate Pio Laghi. From there Abp. Thuc and the seminarian (Fr. Miller) who had accompanied him were taken to a hotel in New York, and were virtual prisoners there until Fr. Miller was able to call Bp. Vezelis. At the time, Abp. Thuc was in his 80's and not in very good health.

Bp. Musey Testimony 1985:
" But later, they brought him out of the Apostolic Delegate' s room " (something like an hour or so had passed by that time) ... and the young seminarian said that when they brought him out, he just looked completely disoriented, and looked as if he had been drugged. And so, the young man asked him, where are we going from here? And the Archbishop said, home. So the Archbishop and he were taken to the car. They got in the car, thinking they were going home. Well instead, they were taken to a hotel somewhere in downtown New York, or a part of New York. It was a hotel owned by this Vietnamese gentleman; and I believe it was a 20 or 26-story hotel. They were up on the 20th floor of it."

"...Bp.Vezelis tried to go ahead and just take him. He took him by the arm and said well, let's go home. And then there was a scuffle between the Vietnamese bishops and Bishop Vezelis; a pushing and shoving kind of contest. And the police then were called; so the house security came up and pushed Bishop Vezelis and the others out of the room. And the city police finally got there; and they kept the American seminarians and Bp Vezelis down in the lobby, and never would let them go back up to the room again. "

"So from there on, it went that they had to go down to the police department and file a kidnap complaint. And the police said they would check it out, and one thing or another. From there it went that they asked Bishop Vezelis to try to engage a lawyer and take whatever legal terms they could. By this time they realized that hours had gone by. And so, the long and the short outcome of it was that nobody got to see him again. Then he was there, I think, for some 20 days or so, as far as anyone knows. The lawyers were supposed to be working on getting some kind of a Court Order." Finally, one of the policemen went up and said he asked the Archbishop if he wanted to stay there or go home; and the Archbishop said he wanted to stay there.

Bp. Vezelis said, well how did you ask hm that? Do you speak Vietnamese? He said no. Vezelis said, do you speak French? and he said no. And he said, well how did you communicate with the Archbishop? What language did you use? And the policeman said well, there were a couple of Vietnamese priests up there, and they interpreted for me."

Persto · « **Reply #316 on:** May 27, 2026, 07:56:49 PM »

https://jmjsite.com/speechofbpmusey4-22-85.pdf
BP. GEORGE MUSEY:

"Archbishop Thuc was one such man, one who remained faithful to our Blessed Lord; because he had unlimited confidence and unlimited devotion to the Mother of God. And because he put his confidence in Her, he was not fearful that after having made a mistake, by having ordained a man who turned out to be an unfaithful and very scandalous type; he nonetheless, when he saw that time went by, and still no bishops carne to the rescue of the Church, made his decision that he could not go to the grave taking with him the Apostolic Succession: and so was moved to consecrate new bishops again. This time Bishop Guerard des Lauriers, who was a theologian, a Dominican priest, and a very respected and prominent theologian in France; and then the two bishops from Mexico."

Archbishop Thuc made a declaration that was published in five or six different languages ( which he wrote thern in himself to begin with; wrote out a declaration in a half-dozen languages ), saying, the Chair is Empty, the Seat is Ernpty; that there has been no valid pope since Pius XII. Point Number Two: the Vatican Council II was a false Council and must be revoked; Number Three, the Novus Ordo Mass is not a valid Mass. ·And he also had pointed out ( I don' t remember if it was in that same declaration, or later when he was explaining why he consecrated bishops ), that the ordination rites in the New Church were inadequate, and not valid, and this was why it was essential for him to consecrate bishops, in order that valid consecrations would be assured: so that valid ordinations would be assured."

Persto · « **Reply #317 on:** May 27, 2026, 08:00:43 PM »

Destruction and Rebuilding of the La Vang Shrine

In 1972, during “the Red Summer Battles” (Mùa Hè Đo’ Lu’’a), the national Marian pilgrimage center at La Vang was destroyed. The OLLV sanctuary is located twelve miles north of the seventeenth parallel that divided the north and the south. The war, concurrent persecution from North Vietnamese communists, and the destruction of the shrine caused many Catholics in the region to move south. A few months after the 1975 fall of Saigon, Bishop Nguyên Kim Điên, of Huê Diocese, sent Father Nguyên Vinh Gioang to serve as pastor at La Vang. The Catholics who had remained in La Vang slowly rebuilt the pilgrimage center and the statue of Our Lady.

The pastoral letter of 1980 marked a period in Vietnamese Catholic history when Catholics in the north and the south were able to gather at La Vang again. The gathering at La Vang resumed in 1978, but remained a small and local gathering. During the first meeting of the bishops between the north and the south in 1980, La Vang was chosen as a national Marian center of pilgrimage. The reconstruction of the pilgrimage center began in 1995 under the guidance of the Vietnamese Catholic Bishops. OLLV is a religious symbol. It represents the historical struggles of Vietnamese Catholics to maintain their faith.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #318 on:** May 28, 2026, 11:10:58 AM »

So so sad that he went crazy towards the end.

Lazarus · « **Reply #319 on:** May 28, 2026, 11:56:12 AM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 28, 2026, 11:10:58 AM

So so sad that he went crazy towards the end.

You tell us how you would fare being kidnapped by the people who murdered your friends and family.

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