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The reason I joined Cathinfo is because of the interesting discussions. Back in 2024, when I was just visiting as a guest, the forum seemed interesting to me, and I learned a lot from the respected members. But what I see now: Uncle Tom (I hope he's not black and I didn't hurt his FEELINGS) has taken over the entire forum for the past month with his idiotic attacks on +Thuc and EENS and pretending to be the baddest guy in the room. I don't understand why the forum has suddenly devolved into an unfunny Uncle Tom show (even Croix was more interesting) and many interesting users have simply stopped being active. All this at once is a mystery to me.

Perhaps this is just an unfortunate period for the forum and we will see many more interesting posts from normal people in the future, but for now, we have what we have.

Utter foolishness!  I doubt that you have even read the seminal literature on the subject, Bread of Life, Gate of Heaven, The Loyolas and the Cabots, The Point, et cetera.  My experience is that those who bash Fr. Feeney have not even investigated the subject, which is, at most, intellectual dishonesty.  Fr. Feeney was only defending the Apostolic Dogma that the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation, a dogma which every Catholic must affirm. I told Fr. Cekada over thirty years ago, "The sacraments are necessary for salvation; BOD is not a sacrament, and it does not save, however one might conjure up in his imagination its efficacy." 

From Summa Theologiae III, q. 64, a. 7

“God did not bind His power to the ministers of the Church so as to be unable to give angels power to administer the sacraments. And since good angels are messengers of truth; if any sacramental rite were performed by good angels, it should be considered valid, because it ought to be evident that this is being done by the will of God.”

De Veritate q. 14, a. 11, ad 1:

“Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance.

 Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius.”

"Baptism of desire" is a semantic confusion. Every single person who could be the subject of "baptism of desire" or a so-called "implicit faith" will simply 1)Get a revelation from God internally. 2)Get the true baptism from an angel.

This so-called "debate" is worthless.