Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 97708 times)

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #565 on:** July 07, 2026, 10:52:00 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on July 07, 2026, 10:18:55 AM

+ABL said it for 18 months.

You want the exact time period voodoo boy?

That's most likely not even true, and what you are leaving out is when this is even alleged to take place.

Want to tell everyone when was that vs the year that Thuc said his?

Nah, I think you'll omit that part ...

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #566 on:** July 07, 2026, 10:53:32 AM »

oh and wanna tell everyone which missal you are taking about? because the SSPV said Archbishop Lefebvre said the novus ordo when in fact it was taking place before that missal came into place. the reality is they were talking about the 66 missal.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #567 on:** July 07, 2026, 11:05:01 AM »

So I just went to confirm this, but Archbishop Lefebvre did say the 1967 missal for a while, and it was out of saying that which caused him later to realize how bad the novus ordo was.

But of course dogmatic sedes having fried their brains on sedevacantism, and blinded by fury and madness, are really not able to make these distinctions.

They are so desperate to believe anything that involves them having to admit that the Lefebvre line is the only real line Trads should be following.

I really dont mind admitting faults and failings of Lefebvre and Williamson, because they will never be equivalent to the madness of Thuc, despite all the chest beatings of his cult followers.

Persto · « **Reply #568 on:** July 07, 2026, 06:03:19 PM »

https://tuannyriver.com/2017/08/21/the-last-years-of-ngo-dinh-thuc/

"...After Thục moved to the U.S., a Vietnamese priest in New York got a hold that the excommunicated cleric was living in the state. He passed this news to Trần Đình Trường, a former South Vietnamese military officer that made his fortune as a hotel owner in New York City after 1975. (Years later, one of his hotels was declared the worst in NYC, but it is a different story altogether.) The news traveled to Missouri, specifically to a refugee priest by the name of Trần Văn Điển. Fr. Điển wasn’t a member of the CMC, but a diocesan priest from Huế then living in retirement among the CMC... Fr. Điển and the CMC superior, Fr. Nguyễn Đức Thiệp, came up with a plan to take Thục out of upstate New York and to Southwestern Missouri."

"Around the lunar New Year of the Rat, 1984, the retired priest Fr. Điển (and Fr. Thiep head of the CMC monastery) flew to New York and asked to visit Archbishop Thục then staying with the [breakaway] Franciscans… Fr. Điển invited Archbishop Thục to attend the new year’s ceremony organized by Vietnamese in Washington, DC. The automobile took Fr. Điển, Fr. Thiệp, Mr. Trần Đình Trường, and Archbishop Thục (and Fr. Miller). It stopped in New York City to pick up some items, then sped up to Washington [not to the Vietnamese event but] to the Apostolic Nunciature of the Holy See."

https://giaophanvinhlong.net/duc-cha-phero-ngo-dinh-thuc/
"Fr. Dien took Bishop Thuc to meet with the Apostolic Nuncio to prepare reconciliation docuмents to send back to Rome. Afterward, Mr. Tran Dinh Truong took Bishop Thuc to stay temporarily at his hotel in New York, and Abp. Thuc flew to Louisiana on February 2, 1984 to be with the CMC before heading to Missouri. On February 25, 1984, Abp. Ngo Dinh Thuc was flown to Missouri to the Carthage monastery."

Persto · « **Reply #569 on:** July 08, 2026, 01:17:59 PM »

https://web.archive.org/web/20190619013324/https://giaophanphucuong.org/gioi-thieu/cac-vi-chu-chan-cua-giao-phan-10311.html
Who Was This Mystery Bishop?
Fr. Miller testifies:
"We returned to Washington, D.C., to the same hotel, where a Vietnamese bishop greeted us...his valet at one time. I don't remember if it was in Vietnam or while he was in Rome. These were men he had either been an archbishop to, or had elevated to the bishopric to make them bishops. But they were all Novus Ordo. And they were stationed at Conception, Carthage, Missouri. I think it's called Immaculate Conception Seminary, which is now the Vietnamese home base for a religious community. And I was a little befuddled at that. What are they doing here? Why are they here? Oh, we're going to the apostolic delegate's office. And I said, does the archbishop know this? Oh, he's OK with it, I was told. And I said, Your Excellency, do you really want to go see the apostolic delegate? They said, it'll be all right. By this time, he (Abp. Thuc) knew he was out of control and he was going to be politically careful, guarded."

Was this Bishop Cua who Greeted Them?
Bp. Cua was residing at the time at the Carthage monastery in Missouri with Fr. Thiep and Fr. Dien, and the rest of the members (see photo below of Bp. Cua in Carthage). It seems like he was also part of the plan. Bp. Cua had been ordained a deacon by Abp. Thuc in 1941. However, he had been chosen as an Auxiliary Bishop under PVI when PVI was appointing Communist friendly candidates. Bp Cua traveled extensively outside of Vietnam, even while an Auxiliary Bishop in Vietnam. He developed a heart problem, and officially retired as Auxiliary Bishop in Vietnam in 1982. From then on he lived outside of Vietnam, especially in Carthage, Missouri, during this crucial time in the life of Abp. Thuc.
Bp. Cua is known to have visited the Vietnamese Buddhist monks in France. The head of these monks was named Thich Nhat Hanh, and was suspected by some of aiding the Communist government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Nh%E1%BA%A5t_H%E1%BA%A1nh#Explanatory_notes

Center Bp. Cua and at right Fr. Thiep

https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bhuyvc.html

Abp. Thuc with Bp. Cua

CathInfo.com

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