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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2026, 10:45:53 PM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on April 28, 2026, 03:58:14 PM

Denying BOD is a mortal sin. I proved that without a doubt.


Being flippant about Sacramental validity is also a serious matter.
Utter foolishness!  I doubt that you have even read the seminal literature on the subject, Bread of Life, Gate of Heaven, The Loyolas and the Cabots, The Point, et cetera.  My experience is that those who bash Fr. Feeney have not even investigated the subject, which is, at most, intellectual dishonesty.  Fr. Feeney was only defending the Apostolic Dogma that the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation, a dogma which every Catholic must affirm. I told Fr. Cekada over thirty years ago, "The sacraments are necessary for salvation; BOD is not a sacrament, and it does not save, however one might conjure up in his imagination its efficacy."  
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Offline Giovanni Berto

Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2026, 12:19:37 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on April 29, 2026, 12:04:52 AM
From Summa Theologiae III, q. 64, a. 7

“God did not bind His power to the ministers of the Church so as to be unable to give angels power to administer the sacraments. And since good angels are messengers of truth; if any sacramental rite were performed by good angels, it should be considered valid, because it ought to be evident that this is being done by the will of God.”

De Veritate q. 14, a. 11, ad 1:

“Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance.

 Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius.”

"Baptism of desire" is a semantic confusion. Every single person who could be the subject of "baptism of desire" or a so-called "implicit faith" will simply 1)Get a revelation from God internally. 2)Get the true baptism from an angel.

This so-called "debate" is worthless.

And how would angels minister the sacraments if they have no bodies?

If this is possible, then, Baptism of Desire could be said to be a kind of Baptism performed by angels on those who truly desire it and are not able to receive it from a human minister.

It sounds strange to me. If this is so, how have we never heard this explanation?
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Online TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2026, 07:18:16 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on April 29, 2026, 12:26:18 AM
You can simply read the words of St Thomas Aquinas on angels, here :

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1051.htm

As for the reason why we never heard of this explanation... We did. From St Thomas Aquinas.

I personally think that the theologians who wrote about "baptism of desire" were confused. They knew that God would not let such people go to hell, but they didn't know the exact mechanism that God would use in order to prevent such an outcome.

For such a subtle error, it is quite possible for many theologians to not notice it.


Man you feenyites like have some kind of serious mental problem.
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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2026, 07:19:46 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on April 29, 2026, 12:06:04 AM
The rashness of youth. Once you mature, you will cringe when remembering your current attitude.

The man  crashed out like some LA valley girl because I was posting truths about the Father of CMRI on a resistance forum.

What did he expect was going to happen?
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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2026, 07:22:11 AM »
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on April 29, 2026, 12:19:37 AM
And how would angels minister the sacraments if they have no bodies?

If this is possible, then, Baptism of Desire could be said to be a kind of Baptism performed by angels on those who truly desire it and are not able to receive it from a human minister.

It sounds strange to me. If this is so, how have we never heard this explanation?
This was simply a pious belief of St. Thomas, but not shared by all other theologians.
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