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https://www.cathinfo.com/video-texts/the-truth-about-archbishop-thuc-(part-2)-the-original-docuмents!-79873/The Testimony of Dr. Heller to Fr. Zepeda"People can claim it, but they lie. This person is mentally sick, and that's the end of it. As opposed to, he has to sign a piece of paper, or print out papers, docuмents for him to sign, because you can't ask somebody who is mentally sick to sign a paper, okay? So, even the Vatican doesn't accept that idea that he was sick. Secondly, as I have the picture of Cardinal Law (a bishop in 1984), you know, that's obviously his name,... but the aspect of this is a high official in the United States in 1984 going to him, and they are together, having pictures taken in full regalia. Now, tell me, who, as a high official, would go take his picture with someone who is crazy? Right? So, when they say that, but he's not in his right mind, like he said, they say it, and then hope it sticks. If they say it enough times, they believe it, right?The next thing is, the bishops who succeeded in Vietnam were consecrated by Thuc. And they continued. So if there's a question, he was crazy, then are you going to say those are also not valid? That's why my whole thing is the Vatican has not questioned his mental abilities."Note: Dr. Heller was a leader of the resistance to the Conciliar church. He knew Abp. Thuc personally, and was present at the Episcopal consecrations of Abp. Thuc of Gerard de Lauriers and Carmona and Zamora.