Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 9147 times)

Everlast22 · « **Reply #230 on:** May 14, 2026, 02:33:59 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 14, 2026, 02:32:04 PM

Ha you wish.

You were. That's why you're spergin' out.

Maria Dolorosa · « **Reply #231 on:** May 14, 2026, 04:09:54 PM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on May 14, 2026, 12:12:36 PM

You should have put him on ignore like you said you were going to do.

Quote from: DecemRationis on May 14, 2026, 02:24:36 PM

That actually wasn't addressed against or at you in any way, but said rather in sympathy. I try to withold negative comments, so let me just say I have Pax on ignore myself.

What was that about "rash judgment" on this forum again? Yeah, in spades.

I responded to you objectively, not from a standpoint of personal hurt. What you said was objectively rash, because I did put him on ignore for a time, and you acted like you knew better when you did not. Also, people can still choose to view posts from one who is on their ignore list.

Persto · « **Reply #232 on:** May 14, 2026, 04:36:54 PM »

Abp. Thuc's Autobiography:

"My presence at the council far away from Vietnam saved my life. Otherwise, I would have been murdered like my three brothers, the president Diêm, Nhu and Cân. While my colleagues from South Vietnam returned to Vietnam after the council’s conclusion, the Americans forced the South Vietnamese into refusing my return visa. Frankly said, there was no reason to refuse this return: The Vietnamese Embassy asked me to be patient while it conferred with the government in Saigon. I waited some months and turned to the Holy Father for help that permission would be granted so that I could return.

I do not know what the Holy Father Paul VI did, but he used the situation that I could not return to my diocese in Hué, to force me into abdication and appoint his favourite, Mgr. Dién, in my place."

Maria Dolorosa · « **Reply #233 on:** May 14, 2026, 05:32:59 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 14, 2026, 12:51:46 PM

And because I was just right

That would fall under the "reasonable" category. :)

Persto · « **Reply #234 on:** May 15, 2026, 03:50:29 PM »

Abp. Thuc on Vatican II
"...Between 1960 and 1968, eight years, half of which I spent in Rome, The half was first to prepare for the council and then to participate in the second Vatican council. That was the last high point of my priestly and Episcopal activity. The rest of my life is a series of failures, on whose course I will report, after I have described my modest role at the pastoral council.

The churches are empty. The new Mass, where the priest is only the chairperson of the meeting—and no longer the only one who sacrifices, always has less and less visitors. Each country has its own Mass which is suited to the mentality of its people: The Japanese sit on their heels around a mat as altar. Instead of the monumental crucifix that dominates our old churches, a little cross lies on a small table that serves as an altar, - without altar stone. The Mass is bungled through in twenty minutes. The rare communion recipients communes standing and no longer kneels. They receive the wafer in the hand and chew on it like candy instead of receiving it on the tongue. The oral confession is no longer fashionable; one is content with the Confiteor of Mass despite the reminder from the Holy Congregation for the Defence of the Faith. The priest reads Mass with his back to the tabernacle!

One now comprehends Mgr. Lefebvre’s rebellion, the success of his Ecône seminaries and the increase of his priories in France and elsewhere; and the uneasiness in all Christian countries of Europe and America. The future of the church is threatened by the lack of vocations. Marxism triumphs everywhere. Africa is attacked by Castro’s Cubans. South America, where the Catholic religion formerly prevailed without dispute, is divided by the struggle between traditionalists and supporters of the Vatican II. Soviet Russia is active everywhere, its fleet is the strongest in the world and its military budget exceeds that of the United States. It interferes in Africa, in South America, everywhere—even in the Vatican, where Paul VI, despite so many disappointments with his politics, insists on offering Communism a hand.

The former statements allow one to understand my role on the council: My few interventions had the goal of defending Christ’s church against the modernistic attacks, against the disparagement of the church by a well organized modernistic party under the leadership of Suenens and other prelates like Marty, the current Cardinal Archbishop of Paris. I must also add that the majority of the council fathers, particularly those from North America, did not understand Latin well, the official and binding language of the council. They spent the bulk of the council debates in both cafes set up in St. Peter, where they drank coffee or Coca Cola. They only returned at the time of the vote in the council auditorium without properly knowing what they were voting about.

One saw many changes of opinion at the council; Prelates, who were initially confirmed traditionalists, turned into modernists after some sessions when they noticed that Paul VI was for the modernists. (He was not present at the council, supposedly to demonstrate that he did not want to influence the opinions of the Fathers; but he followed the debates on a radio). Therefore they changed their opinion as not to mess up receiving their high church offices and above all the red hat of the Cardinal's dignity. The secretary of the Holy Congregation of the Index, the Congregation for the Defense of the Faith betrayed his superior, the admired Cardinal Ottaviani, in order to follow Suenens."

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