Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 6079 times)

Everlast22 · « **Reply #120 on:** **Yesterday** at 07:55:58 AM »

Quote from: MonsieurValentine on Yesterday at 07:06:50 AM

The lack of self awareness he displays is almost on par with the small hat people.

He's severely autistic, I know his type.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #121 on:** **Yesterday** at 10:42:05 AM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 11, 2026, 04:41:27 PM

You Thuc cultists are so obsessive.

Thucs Sacramental intention cannot be verified because he is dead.

We have a grave and serious reason to doubt all of his Sacraments because of the suspicion of him simulating a Sacrament in the case of the Palmarians.

All things taken together, and the prudent man stays away.

No more obsessive than the "Resistance" obsession you hold? Or your obsession against +Thuc.

Anybody who thinks that their team is the chosen by God team is not looking at the crisis properly anymore. A pope will determine what the Truths are. We do not have that right now. Period end of story. We can't create a new authority just because we are tired of the suffering that God has given us in these times. I don't like people calling Tom autistic, but I don't like him slandering +Thuc. Obedience is supposed to be a high recognition of holiness. Who is obedient right now?

Women will pick a man they respect and follow him. I picked my husband I do what he does when it comes to the Crisis. Hopefully the men leading the women will be humble enough to see God's Truth, when all is revealed.

Until then, remember this from Matthew's first post on Introduce yourself.

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Maria Dolorosa · « **Reply #122 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:01:05 AM »

Refreshing honesty from a +Thuc Bishop.

I doubt anyone would call him a slanderer for admitting the faults of +Thuc.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fL7wEXDCA5w

Persto · « **Reply #123 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:14:06 AM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_assassination_of_Ngo_Dinh_Diem

St. Francis Xavier's Church, where the Ngo brothers were arrested

On 1 November 1963, the country's leading generals launched a coup d'état with assistance from the CIA. Diệm and his brother, Nhu, initially escaped, but were recaptured the following day and αssαssιnαtҽd on the orders of general Durong Van Minh, who succeeded him as president. Diem and Nhu fled the presidential palace, and went to St. Francis Xavier Church for the Mass of All Souls day on Nov.2, 1963, wearing dark grey suits.
President Ngo Dinh Diem of Free Vietnam is seen kneeling during midnight Mass, held on grounds of the Presidential mansion palace, Saigon , Vietnam,...

President Ngo Dinh Diem of Free Vietnam is seen kneeling during midnight Mass, held on grounds of the Presidential mansion palace, Saigon , Vietnam,...

It was speculated that they were recognized by an informant as they walked through the yard. Inside the church, the brothers prayed and received Communion. Father Leger of Saint Francis Xavier Catholic Church asserted that the Ngô brothers were kneeling inside the building when soldiers burst in, took them outside and into an armoured personnel carrier, with the brothers' hands being tied behind their backs before shoving them into the carrier.

Shortly after midnight on 2 November 1963 in Washington, D.C. the CIA sent word to the White House that Diệm and Nhu were dead, allegedly by ѕυιcιdє. Vietnam Radio had announced their deaths by poison, and that they had committed ѕυιcιdє while prisoners in an APC transporting them to Tân Sơn Nhứt. Unclear and contradictory stories abounded. General Harkins reported that the ѕυιcιdєs had occurred either by gunshot or by a grenade wrestled from the belt of an ARVN officer who was standing guard. Minh tried to explain the discrepancy, saying "Due to an inadvertence, there was a gun inside the vehicle. It was with this gun that they committed ѕυιcιdє."

Persto · « **Reply #124 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:16:04 AM »

Diem after assassination

Nhu after assassination

The CIA in Saigon later secured a set of photos of the brothers that left no doubt that they had been executed. The photos were taken at about 10:00 on 2 November and showed the dead brothers covered in blood on the floor of an APC with their hands tied behind their backs. Their faces were bloodied and bruised and they had been repeatedly stabbed. The images appeared to be genuine, discrediting the generals' claims that the brothers had committed ѕυιcιdє. The pictures were distributed around the world, having been sold to media outlets in Saigon. The caption below a picture published in Time magazine read "'ѕυιcιdє' with no hands."

One Vietnamese Diệm loyalist asked friends in the CIA why an assassination had taken place, reasoning that if Diem was deemed to be inefficient, his deposal would suffice. The CIA employees responded that "They had to kill him. Otherwise his supporters would gradually rally and organize and there would be cινιℓ ωαr." Some months after the event, Minh was reported to have privately told an American that "We had no alternative. They had to be killed. Diệm could not be allowed to live because he was too much respected among simple, gullible people in the countryside, especially the Catholics and the refugees.

At around 16:00 on 2 November, the bodies of Diệm and Nhu were identified by the wife of former Cabinet minister Trần Trùng Dung. The corpses were taken to St. Paul's Catholic Hospital, where a French doctor made a formal statement of death without conducting an autopsy. The original death certificate did not describe Diệm as Head of State but as "Chief of Province", a post he had held four decades earlier under the French colonial administration. Nhu was described as "Chief of Library Service", a post which he held in the 1940s. This was interpreted as a Vietnamese way of expressing contempt for the two despised leaders. Their place of burial was never disclosed by the junta and rumours regarding it persist to the current day. The speculated burial places include a military prison, a local cemetery, the grounds of the JGS headquarters and there are reports of cremation as well.Nobody was ever prosecuted for the killings.

The government did not approve a public memorial service for the deaths (in 1963) of Diệm and Nhu until 1968. In 1971, several thousand mourners gathered at Diệm's purported gravesite. Catholic prayers were given in Latin. Banners proclaimed Diệm as a saviour of the south, with some mourners having walked into Saigon from villages outside the capital carrying portraits of Diệm. Madame Thiệu, the First Lady, was seen weeping at a requiem mass at Saigon's basilica. Several cabinet members were also at the grave and a eulogy was given by a general of the ARVN. According to the eulogy, Diệm died because he had resisted the domination of foreigners and their plans to bring great numbers of troops to Vietnam and widen a war which would have destroyed the country. Thiệu sponsored the services, and it was widely seen as a means of associating himself with Diệm's personal characteristics. Diệm frequently refused to follow American advice and was known for his personal integrity, in contrast to Thiệu, who was infamous for corruption and regarded as being too close to the Americans. However, Thiệu's attempts to associate himself with Diệm's relative independence from United States influence was not successful. According to General Maxwell Taylor, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, "there was the memory of Diệm to haunt those of us who were aware of the circuмstances of his downfall. By our complicity, we Americans were responsible for the plight in which the South Vietnamese found themselves".

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