For many trad catholics they think it is the Mass and the sacraments that matter. For me it is the faith that matters and the Mass and sacraments must serve the faith.
Having been an SSPXer for almost 20 years our family has certainly seen the changes, especially in the last 7 years or so...that is, the soft-line approach with N.O. ... a position not tolerated at all when I first attended SSPX.
Moderator: This is your subjective, vague impression, in ONE SMALL CORNER of the world. Let me tell you that most places, there was no such "sea change" as you describe. If you want to criticize the SSPX, at least pick something true like "They took down all materials related to the Jєωιѕн question from their website in a despicable compromise"
If you're after the truth, don't make vague accusations. Why not give SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of the SSPX "before" and "after" they went soft? If you won't/can't do this, I am not going to permit your general SLANDER against a holy Catholic organization that is doing great good for souls. More good than the SSPV and CMRI put together.
From a gradual studying of the faith which lead to question asking, we became a 'thorn in their side" so to speak. We found we were being given very evasive answers or no answers to a number of very important questions. This all lead to a great mistrust in these priests.
Ultimately we came to the definite conclusiton that Ratzinger is a despicable heretic and we could never be in communion with him, so we could no longer go to the SSPX. And especially after the SSPX recognised the Novus Ordo on an equal level with the Tridentine Mass,
Moderator:
That is a bald-faced lie. There's no other way to say it. Your last sentence has no basis in reality, it never happened. You're slandering the SSPX here.
it made it impossible to attend. The N.O. or Latin Mass is obviously now just a choice. And we also learnt that the SSPX do not celebrate the Mass of St Pius V, but a truncated version of Bugnini...and then it is not even that.
Moderator:
And what the heck is a "truncated version of Bugnini"? We use the 1962 Missal, yes, but there is nothing Bugnini or Novus Ordo about it. It's as Tridentine as the missal your chapel uses, I assure you, and has JUST AS MUCH fruit for souls, benefit for one's Faith, etc. They're equals.
They [SSPX]profess they are in the true church which is headed by Ratzinger....it is all very confusing.
We do not want to be in the same church as Ratzinger as he professes a different faith to us.
Hence, unfortunately, we are deprived of the sacraments.
Moderator:
At least that explains the gall and vitriol vomited forth in this bitter post of yours. I, on the other hand, am not deprived of the sacraments. The SSPX is really the way to go during this Crisis, but your soul is your own business. To each his own.
We have no other alternative where we live.
But we have been shown, and have made contact with priests to whom one can get spiritual direction, through emails, letters or telephones. They furnish us with good sermons also which is very edifying.
We have to suffer for want of the sacraments, but didn't the Japanese and Koreans suffer also? God knows our situation which is not of our making. But the suffering may burn off some of our Purgatory. Those responsible for putting we laity in these situations, will be accountable.
Moderator:
But the Japanese Catholics didn't thumb their noses up at an SSPX Mass center. They would NEVER have done something so rash and foolish. You know, bringing martyrdom upon yourself usually results in caving in under the tortures -- if God doesn't will your martyrdom, He is not going to give you the graces to undergo it without breaking. This would apply also to self-willed "Home Alone by choice" Catholics. If there's no Traditional Mass in your area, you can count on God to sustain you. If you simply don't like the local SSPX priest -- that's a different story.
SSPX priests have a tremendous responsibility before God.
Moderator:
The Trad world is a small world, so I would have a hard time believing you're anyone other than Cecelia Omlor.
1. Same first name
2. From Australia/New Zealand (same place, really)
3. Sedevacantist
4. Proud of her deep roots in the Trad world
5. Personality -- not afraid to speak her mind, shall we say. A bit on the feisty side.
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