I have noticed in the traditional church, Mass, there are some parishioners that decide on their own to go hunting, because it is the only day they have and a lady of 65, who decided to go on a non-denominational retreat instead of Mass.  She said, she spoke on St. Augustine.  I say, shame.  What are your views?

We're obligated to attend Mass on Sunday.

We've had sermons on this which specifically mentioned that when planning a famliy vacation, there must be a Mass available for Sunday or you shouldn't go. While no Mass available near your home would be a valid reason to miss Mass, no Mass available on your vacationing route is not sufficient reason. You should plan your trips accordingly.

Just to interject some more authoritative Catholic source:
From Father Jones' Moral Theology--


"One may miss Mass for a pleasure trip once or twice if he has no other opportunity during the year, or it is the last opportunity he will ever have for a certain excursion"



Of course, one should always model one's moral life with the help of a competent confessor.

Where I am from,  there is SSPX in philly and independent chapel in Jersey.  And yet most of these "traditional" catholics will run back to local novus ordo Mater Ecclesia of Berlin, NJ for convenience because they do Latin Mass.

How can you be a "traditional" catholic and run back to novus ordo under one of the most liberal novus ordo bishops and dioceses in the USA.  

By going to Mater Ecclesia, Berlin, NJ under camden diocese,NJ  you are supporting the camden diocese.  You are supporting abortion, sɛҳuąƖ abuse by clergy, modernism and liberalism, etc.  While you are attending Mater Ecclesia, the vatican II mass is being celebrated all over.  There is even a lutheran minister and wife and children at nearby "Catholic Community",   the clergy from camden diocese has donated money and voted to pro abortion candidates.  How can confirmations be valid if it isn't the traditional rituals and prayers of confirmation.  Where were you when Catholic schools and churches were being closed down???  I don't remember seeing any of these "traditional" catholics from Berlin during the protests of historical Catholic church and schools.

If there was a question of danger for the Truth the superiors would have to be rebuked by the inferiors even in public...St Thomas  

We're obligated to attend Mass on Sunday.

We've had sermons on this which specifically mentioned that when planning a famliy vacation, there must be a Mass available for Sunday or you shouldn't go. While no Mass available near your home would be a valid reason to miss Mass, no Mass available on your vacationing route is not sufficient reason. You should plan your trips accordingly.

Did the priest give a source for that opinion?

I went searching and found http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895554720/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0895554720&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 so it's Fr Jone's Moral Theology.

Right you are, Nadir!  Nice catch.  Just the kind of mistake I hate to make. Gnash, Gnash.
30 extra lashes for me, tonight.

I can't believe the prices quoted on Amazon as, I imagine, there are thousands of these out there that could be gotten a lot cheaper.


Anyway, I think one could find something to challenge Jone, but it would need to be a moral theologian with stronger bona fides. Unfortunately, most of the great doctors lack translations when it comes to moral theology, and I'm sure this was done on purpose in some cases.

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We're obligated to attend Mass on Sunday.

We've had sermons on this which specifically mentioned that when planning a famliy vacation, there must be a Mass available for Sunday or you shouldn't go. While no Mass available near your home would be a valid reason to miss Mass, no Mass available on your vacationing route is not sufficient reason. You should plan your trips accordingly.

I've never read about this in any church docuмent, did your priest give a reference?  This would mean that no Catholic should go backpacking, take a cruise, or even visit a foreign country???  

Mar

This sermon was probably 4-5 years ago, so I don't recall if he cited any sources. I remember it because we had some trips during that period of time which required figuring out how we'd get to Mass before we could decide if we'd be taking the trip at all. Father has talked about the merit of using your recreational travel as an opportunity to visit Catholic places -- shrines, pilgrimage routes, etc.

I wouldn't see any of your examples as causing me a real dilemma:
backpacking? - go Monday through Saturday, you don't have to get all the way back home, just to the nearest TLM
cruise? - a bit like the beach, so I wouldn't consider it in the first place; if I was interested in cruising to Alaska, I'd consider planning my own trip to coincide with Mass availability rather than having to follow the cruise line's schedule
foreign country? - I don't see why that would be any different than a domestic trip. There are TLM locations all over the world.

Anyhow, following Fr Jone's is usually a safe bet, but remember that God is never outdone in generosity. Your making the effort to attend Mass even when away from home would surely be rewarded.

Yes, this.

It should be noted re: Fr. Jones.............consider that unlike today, priests and the TLM were abundant pre V2, they were, literally, everywhere, even on the titanic there were two priests! That's the way it was when Holy Mother the Church was Catholic and cared for the salvation of souls.

These days, after so many years of the NO, it is probably difficult for most people today to imagine that there was *only* the TLM and that it was literally so plentiful that one almost would have to purposely avoid it by taking a vacation where they knew it would not be, which would probably mean back packing or camping etc in the middle of nowhere, which, was not really all that common of a thing for people to do before the revolution.

Same goes for Fr. Jones and others who taught the same thing as he did - they most likely never would have believed that there would be such a thing as a NO, let alone a protestant service in place of the Mass, a priest shortage, church closings etc ad nausem.

Fr. Jones might sound a bit shocking at first glance to many these days, but back then, only extraordinary circuмstances would have prevented one from finding a Mass while on vacation because they, literally, were everywhere.

TRUE! Therefore, due to the current crisis today coupled with the desire to fulfill our obligations out of love and best effort, perhaps consulting our [Traditional] priests before planning such an excursion would be prudent. Father might also give us permission, for lack of a better word, to do so. That way, we are not assuming that non-attendance due to location, etc., is not a sin in our present circuмstances.

Clelia, while I understand the desire to consult the priest, it's important not to give priests pretensions to authority that are not theirs to have.  We don't have to ask priest's permission to go on vacation.

There are well established moral guidelines for these situations, and if we see certain Trad priests seemingly make it up as they go along, it's because there's a problem with people giving priests say over things that are not theirs to have a say over.