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Offline hollingsworth1

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Attacking pedophilia in the Church is a nαzι thing
« on: November 16, 2010, 09:28:27 AM »
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  • If you haven't already, pick up the October 2010 edition of the Angelus Magazine.  Read the article entitled Legal proceedings against Catholic priests under nαzιsm  The author alleges, (as I read it anyway), that going after pedophile and/or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests is nothing new.  Why, the nαzιs did it under the direction of Propaganda Minister Goebbels.  So, attacking Church pedophilia is really a carry over behavior from the Third Reich.  You see, it's a nαzι thing!
    You can go to the Angelus on-line and secure the article's contents, or better yet, if you have a copy laying around the house, pick it up and read it,  if your interest is aroused.  


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    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 10:04:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth1
    If you haven't already, pick up the October 2010 edition of the Angelus Magazine.  Read the article entitled Legal proceedings against Catholic priests under nαzιsm  The author alleges, (as I read it anyway), that going after pedophile and/or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests is nothing new.  Why, the nαzιs did it under the direction of Propaganda Minister Goebbels.  So, attacking Church pedophilia is really a carry over behavior from the Third Reich.  You see, it's a nαzι thing!
    You can go to the Angelus on-line and secure the article's contents, or better yet, if you have a copy laying around the house, pick it up and read it,  if your interest is aroused.  


    Oh, a very recent one.  Thanks for the heads up.


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    Attacking pedophilia in the Church is a nαzι thing
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 08:59:09 PM »
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  • The point is that the media is using similar propaganda to the nαzι's to destroy the credibility of the Faith by caricaturing the problem, lying about it ( it is not pedophilia and it is not caused by celibacy) constantly covering it, ignoring other pedophilia, unmercifully playing the story, and inflating the numbers.

    The point was obviously not to say that one shouldn't criticize the scandal in the Church and comment on the true causes. This is best done by true Catholics and not the secular media.

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    Attacking pedophilia in the Church is a nαzι thing
    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 09:18:29 PM »
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    The point was obviously not to say that one shouldn't criticize the scandal in the Church and comment on the true causes. This is best done by true Catholics and not the secular media.


    When a priest held a catechism class at church on the scandal he dismissed my suggestion that the scale of the abuse problem is connected to the crisis in the Church.  Giving these NO priests and bishops a pass by comparing their media critics to nαzιs is lame.

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    Nor was clerical misconduct a persistent or steady-state phenomenon, as we would expect if abusive behavior resulted inevitably from the agonies of the celibate lifestyle. In the U.S. at least, recorded malfeasance was quite rare until an explosion of criminal activity in one short period, namely between 1975 and 1980. These six years accounted for an astonishing 40 percent of all the alleged acts of clerical abuse for the 52-year period under examination. Just why these years were so horrific is open to debate, but there seems to have been a sharp decline in the moral and disciplinary controls that higher authorities exercised over priests. Also, clergy in the 1970s were vulnerable to powerful social pressures encouraging sɛҳuąƖ experimentation, the sense that old injunctions against adultery or pederasty were destined to perish in the new age of ethical relativism, and some priests succuмbed to temptation. Of the priests ordained in the year 1970, a startling 10 percent would ultimately be the focus of abuse allegations. But the crisis was a byproduct of a specific historical era, not of some essential quality of the clerical status or of the Church’s structures.

    http://www.amconmag.com/article/2010/jun/01/00026/


    The fact that the rector of Mundelein was almost made USSCB President is really a dire sign.  We should always protest unjust vilification of anyone but the Bishops and the Pope have brought this on themselves and it is a sign of a split mind to start talking about nαzι persecution of the clergy when we are dealing with modernists perverts who have run amok in the conciliar hierarchy.  Just consider the fact that Daneels was found with secret records from the Dutroux case.  It is hard to fathom the depths of these scandals.

    All this talk about "evil nαzιs" is so redundant and depressing to see on the pages of the Angelus.  We know what Catholic teachings are and we know how nαzιsm violates them.  But harping on the nαzιs is a kind of "me-tooism" that is rather pathetic.  It's like Tea Party activists invoking the Civil Rights movement.  No one needs to defend against the secularist criticism of the shameless failure  of the bishops to defend children by invoking the nαzιs.  

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    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 09:25:32 PM »
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  • I'm with you on this one, Telesphorus.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14


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    Attacking pedophilia in the Church is a nαzι thing
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 09:26:15 PM »
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  • Randy Engel is a traditional Catholic who had written, in addition to The Rite of Sodomy, Sex Education -- The Final Plague and The McHugh Chronicles -- Who Betrayed the Prolife Movement?

    As traditional Catholics, we know that the celibacy of the priesthood has nothing to do with sɛҳuąƖ misconduct of priests.  What apparently some are not prepared to deal with is the fact that the NO clergy (and probably a significant portion of the traditional as well) had been infiltrated and overrun by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in all ranks going back  MANY decades; also that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and pedophilia are not distinct aberrations, as the mainstream culture has brainwashed so many into believing, but two variations of the same perversion.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 09:36:29 PM »
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  • The analogy between the nαzι propaganda and that which we see in the mainstream media was a good one. One can oppose the scandal and voice the true reasons (ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, modernism) while understanding that the media is using the scandal for their own nefarious ends, exaggerating it, and lying about the causes to prop up their agenda (married and women priests, discrediting the truth of the Catholic Faith) just like the nαzιs did. The comparison was well thought out, thoroughly supported by facts, and very enlightening.


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    « Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 10:05:45 PM »
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  • Well, I cheered up when I read that a Mr. Lynch smacked his priestly abuser around a bit recently.

    He'll get in a bit of trouble, but the  predator-priest was able to drive himself to the hospital...many are cheering Mr. Lynch on.

    http://kristv.com/news/priest-attack-suspect-turns-case-against-victim/

    What an odd idea for the Angelus..hopefully someone will be able to post the article.  R. Engel wrote that they used to turn offenders over to the civil authorities centuries ago.  As they most certainly should have.





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    Attacking pedophilia in the Church is a nαzι thing
    « Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 12:08:17 PM »
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    Randy Engel is a traditional Catholic who had written, in addition to The Rite of Sodomy, Sex Education -- The Final Plague and The McHugh Chronicles -- Who Betrayed the Prolife Movement?


    Randy Engel...now there is one wonderful woman!  I have read that book (The Rite of Sodomy) about five times.  I understand that it is out off print.  She is to be commended for writing that book which took so many years to research.  It is not easy making such a descent into the  nether world to collect such sordid information.  The grace of God must have sustained her.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 03:26:16 PM »
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    The analogy between the nαzι propaganda and that which we see in the mainstream media was a good one.


    I'm not sure that the author's major intent is convey the idea  that the mainstream secular media today is analogous to the nαzι propaganda machine.  I lean towards the idea that Norbert Clasen would like to see silenced all criticism and vocal opposition to the modern Church pedophilia problem, be it from secualr media sources or from Catholic and religious ones.  How best, and how most easily to accomplish that end?  Why, simply make the nαzι connection.  Why, for example, could Clasen not have made a similar analogy ot widespread corruption in the Church during the 16th century and the heretic Luther's organized oppposition to it?  It would have been a natural if Luther suffered under even a third of the opprobrium today that Hitler and the nαzιs do.  Clerical pedophilia and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity are rampant in New Church.  Do I, by making that claim, as merely an individual totally uncconnected to the media, nevertheless risk censure, (perhaps from people like yourself),  who would make of me something of a nαzι sympathizer for daring to point out the fact? I think so, and I think that's what Clasen and the Angelus have in mind to do.  Bp. Fellay and the SSPX focus always on the "doctrinal" problems within the Vatican.  They avoid commenting upon or tend to shy away from, according to my observation anyway, the acute moral problems in the post-V2 church.  

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    « Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 04:02:21 PM »
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  • I wouldn't expect anything less than the most strained, malicious and arbitrary (I could list many other adjectives) imputation of meaning and intent.    

    What is wrong with you people?


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    « Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 06:47:46 PM »
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    I wouldn't expect anything less than the most strained, malicious and arbitrary (I could list many other adjectives) imputation of meaning and intent.


    I assume that this indidual refers by to "meaning and intent" to the article's author, Norbert Clasen.  Well then, let him come forward with that article's true meaning and intent.  In other words, set us straight.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 07:35:10 PM »
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  • Mrs Engel is way off base with her allegations against Cardinals Merry Del Val and Rampolla. I believe she is accurate re: Spellman.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 17, 2010, 07:48:12 PM »
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    Mrs Engel is way off base with her allegations against Cardinals Merry Del Val and Rampolla. I believe she is accurate re: Spellman.


    I forgot about that.  That is the only thing that really disturbed me about the book as I had always liked Cardinal Merry del Val very much, and then I read what she wrote about him.  I wish she hadn't put it in the book and had just stayed with what she could factually prove.

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    Something I remembered while reading this thread:  I read somewhere  that this is the reason why John Paul II never believed anyone when they came to him about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and bishops because that is what the communist did to priests in Poland to smear them - fabricate false charges of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity against them.   That part is believable, but when they showed JPII pictures, videos etc. and he still wouldn't believe it, well, what can you do?

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    « Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 08:20:31 PM »
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    I wouldn't expect anything less than the most strained, malicious and arbitrary (I could list many other adjectives) imputation of meaning and intent.


    I assume that this indidual refers by to "meaning and intent" to the article's author, Norbert Clasen.  Well then, let him come forward with that article's true meaning and intent.  In other words, set us straight.


    There's nothing to be confused about if you're not TRYING to spin its meaning.  Stevus explained its obvious sense.  Weren't you the one claiming superior scriptural interpretive skills over and above other Catholics?  How can that be so when you mutilate the meaning of basic words from articles written a month ago?