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Re: Atila and the TFP
« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2019, 08:45:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Markus on April 12, 2019, 08:38:04 PM
    I am reposting this since it was lost in the general cascade of other posts. I offer it once more for Meg and Cera's consideration, as well as anyone else who would like to contribute to this polemic. I believe moving back to these questions will put the discussion back-on-track. So, I ask them to give their opinions to these two theses:
    I eagerly await their responses.  :-\
    :applause: :applause: :applause:
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #91 on: April 18, 2019, 03:08:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: CestMoiJeanneMarie on April 12, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
    It just proves that Fr. Purdy prefers to hide under the skirts of two women instead of face the issue publicly like a man.
    It is typical of a TIA cult follower to attack a good Catholic priest with innuendo. This is the same tactic the anti-clerical Atila often uses.
    The truth about TIA is not an attack; the truth is the truth.
    Why are you and your alter-ego Atila trying to make this about SSPX?
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #92 on: April 18, 2019, 03:10:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: CestMoiJeanneMarie on April 12, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
     these personal attacks against Atila/TIA are new, they were created right after Atila published his exposés
    Did you not read my response to this old, re-used attack of yours? I posted a Cath Info post from 2007 showing that others were exposing the ugly truth about TFP/TIA way back then.
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #93 on: April 18, 2019, 03:14:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: CestMoiJeanneMarie on April 12, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
    Yes it is Meg. You are constantly distracting from the issue here. Please explain to me why it is that:
    1) You seem to have made it your personal mission to spew out any and all trash on Atila/TIA only recently, right after Atila posts an article showing the dishonesty of SSPX (and more recently of Fr. Purdy).
    2) If you are not affiliated with SSPX, why do you conveniently make it your aim to divert any and all attention away from SSPX's dishonesty?

    If you respond with a diversion again, you prove my two points right. Answer my two questions before continuing more of your trash talk.
    You lie. Your pseudo-points have received calm rational responses previously. You just pretend that you have not already been answered in order to spew your hatred against a good priest.
    Just for the record, the unfounded opinions of your cult leader Atila are simply his opinions. They are not facts.
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #94 on: April 18, 2019, 03:25:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Markus on April 12, 2019, 01:57:31 PM

    2) Fr. Purdy contradicts Dom Gueranger: while Dom Gueranger says February 2 is concerned with the Purification of Our Lady, Fr. Purdy says February 2 is concerned with the Presentation of Our Lord.

    Oh Marcus, Marcus. If you actually listened to what Father Purdy so eloquently explains, you would understand that both names describe the same event celebrated on Feb. 2. In Jєωιѕн tradition, a woman who had given birth could not re-enter society until her ritual purification on the 40th day after the birth of her child.
    He explains that Our Lady, having given birth to Jesus miraculously, did not need ritual purification, but she did so to obey God. The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple is the same event as the Purification of Our Lady. It was a foreshadowing of her Immaculate Heart. This is related to when Simeon told her "a sword shall pierce your heart."
    If you can overcome your brainwashing, please listen to this beautiful talk on Maria del Buen Suceso de la Purificación.
    I continue to pray for you.
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #95 on: April 30, 2019, 09:55:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on April 18, 2019, 03:25:50 PM
    Oh Marcus, Marcus. If you actually listened to what Father Purdy so eloquently explains, you would understand that both names describe the same event celebrated on Feb. 2. In Jєωιѕн tradition, a woman who had given birth could not re-enter society until her ritual purification on the 40th day after the birth of her child.
    He explains that Our Lady, having given birth to Jesus miraculously, did not need ritual purification, but she did so to obey God. The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple is the same event as the Purification of Our Lady. It was a foreshadowing of her Immaculate Heart. This is related to when Simeon told her "a sword shall pierce your heart."
    If you can overcome your brainwashing, please listen to this beautiful talk on Maria del Buen Suceso de la Purificación.
    I continue to pray for you.
    :facepalm: Cera, this a bunch of bla-bla-bla. The Presentation is NOT the same as the Purification, as Dom Gueranger explains. Again, you seem to block out anything that doesn't come from the mouth of SSPX/Fr. Purdy. Where is your rationality? It's evident that you and Meg are part of a cult, since you are not using any reason.
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #96 on: May 01, 2019, 05:17:17 PM »
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    • FEAST OF THE PRESENTATION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
    FEAST OF THE PURIFICATION OF THE VIRGIN
     CANDLEMAS DAY (FEB 2)
    The events commemorated today are recorded in Luke 2:22-39.
    Counting forward from December 25 as Day One, we find that Day Forty is February 2. A Jєωιѕн woman is in semi-seclusion for 40 days after giving birth to a son, and accordingly it is on February 2 that we celebrate the coming of Mary and Joseph with the infant Jesus to the Temple at Jerusalem (1) to offer sacrifice on behalf of Mary to mark the end of her seclusion (see Le 12:1-8), and (2) to ransom or redeem (buy back) Jesus as a first-born male (see Ex 13:11-13; 22:29; Nu 18:15-16; Dt 15:19). As they did so, they were greeted by the aged Simeon. In a Sunday-School pageant, I once saw, the narrator said, "And now Simeon bursts into a spontaneous song of praise, assisted by the Temple Choir." His song, called the Nunc Dimittis, has always had a prominent role in Christian worship. It has often been rendered in verse. I append one example.
    Lord God, thou now hast set thy servant free, G-GGAGceddc--
    to part in peace according to thy word. eefgGcBAAG--
    Mine eyes have seen the Saviour, Christ the Lord ddef--cccfed--
    prepared by thee for all the worlds to see; dpdBGceddc--
    to shine on nations lost in darkest night, cfgaadggrg--
    the glory of thy people, and their light. Gcdedfeddc--
    (The versification is by Rae E Whitney, found in the Episcopal Hymnal 1982. The melody shown at the right is SONG 1 by Orlando Gibbons (1583-1625). Note that:
    We denote two octaves of white keys by CDEFGABcdefgab.
    We denote black keys (beginning with c sharp) by pqrst.
    We use a dash to continue the previous note for another beat.)

    Because an old reading for this festival contains the line (Zephaniah 1:12), "I will search Jerusalem with candles," the day is also known as Candlema
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    "Candlemas"/Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #97 on: May 08, 2019, 03:15:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Markus on April 12, 2019, 01:57:31 PM

    Fr. Purdy contradicts Dom Gueranger: while Dom Gueranger says February 2 is concerned with the Purification of Our Lady, Fr. Purdy says February 2 is concerned with the Presentation of Our Lord.

    Uh, huh.

    So they absolutely must be mutually exclusive?  There's no way that, speaking loosely, both sources could be right?

    The relevant article in the original Catholic Encyclopedia: "Candlemas" by (Mr.?) Holweck [*], plainly asserts at its outset:

    Quote from: Holweck in original Catholic Encyclopedia

    Candlemas
    Also called: Purification of the Blessed Virgin (Greek Hypapante),
    Feast of the Presentation of Christ in the Temple.
    Observed 2 February in the Latin Rite.

    Holweck is the author of numerous articles in that edition of the C.E.; he's not an obscure 1-article wonder.  My reading of many C.E. articles in recent years has given me the strong impression that their authors are quite deferential to Dom Gueranger when his opinion as an acknowledged expert dissents or otherwise stands out.

    So, ‘Markus’,  how's 'bout citing a specific source, preferably Internet-accessible, for your claim of exclusivity about the significance of the date?

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    Note *: Frederick Holweck: "Candlemas".  C.E. vol. 3, 1908.  Robert Appleton Co.: New York.  <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03245b.htm>.
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    Re: "Candlemas"/Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #98 on: May 09, 2019, 02:36:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: AlligatorDicax on May 08, 2019, 03:15:09 PM
    Uh, huh.

    So they absolutely must be mutually exclusive?  There's no way that, speaking loosely, both sources could be right?

    The relevant article in the original Catholic Encyclopedia: "Candlemas" by (Mr.?) Holweck [*], plainly asserts at its outset:

    Holweck is the author of numerous articles in that edition of the C.E.; he's not an obscure 1-article wonder.  My reading of many C.E. articles in recent years has given me the strong impression that their authors are quite deferential to Dom Gueranger when his opinion as an acknowledged expert dissents or otherwise stands out.

    So, ‘Markus’,  how's 'bout citing a specific source, preferably Internet-accessible, for your claim of exclusivity about the significance of the date?

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    Note *: Frederick Holweck: "Candlemas".  C.E. vol. 3, 1908.  Robert Appleton Co.: New York.  <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03245b.htm>.
    :applause:
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #99 on: May 10, 2019, 02:21:17 PM »
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    • Like the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart, the two feasts are permanently joined together. You can't mention one without thinking of the other. False dilemma.  
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #100 on: May 19, 2019, 08:55:49 PM »
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #101 on: May 19, 2019, 10:15:00 PM »
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    • I see :facepalm:

    It means Prof Cera or "Trad Granny" is a slave to Fr. Purdy.
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #102 on: May 23, 2019, 05:58:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Markus on May 19, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
    Official refutation: https://traditioninaction.org/Library/texts/A_001_ServCar.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1rRuucbL9eSBU5Sb2qBD8g_aAUI6xUNyaCCahfs7k_G4FCxta3sRrLeT4
    Having read this purported "refutation" it's clear that it is merely more of the same obfuscation typical of TFP/TIA.
    Nowhere is the key point addressed: that Atila laid on the floor in front of Plinio, who put his foot on Atila's neck, and Atila (in a mockery of Louis de Montfort's consecration to the Blessed Virgin Mary) swore his allegiance to Plinio, making himself a slave to Plinio and taking a slave name.
    Disgusting and more importantly NOT Catholic, once again affirming what Bishop Mayer said of TFP, calling them an anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, heretic sect.
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #103 on: May 28, 2019, 12:38:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on May 23, 2019, 05:58:32 PM
    Having read this purported "refutation" it's clear that it is merely more of the same obfuscation typical of TFP/TIA.
    Nowhere is the key point addressed: that Atila laid on the floor in front of Plinio, who put his foot on Atila's neck, and Atila (in a mockery of Louis de Montfort's consecration to the Blessed Virgin Mary) swore his allegiance to Plinio, making himself a slave to Plinio and taking a slave name.
    Disgusting and more importantly NOT Catholic, once again affirming what Bishop Mayer said of TFP, calling them an anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, heretic sect.
    Cera, I see that TIA only posted this 200-page pdf on May 18, yet you claim that by May 23 you had already read this pdf. Do you mean to tell us that you read over 200 pages in 5 days? Either you are a fast reader, or you are lying and just didn't bother to read the whole thing. 
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    Re: Atila and the TFP
    « Reply #104 on: May 28, 2019, 09:22:09 PM »
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    • You seem unusually silent Cera - cat got your tongue?
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