Author Topic: Atheist journalist admits he made up some things (Read 1150 times)

2Vermont · « **on:** November 23, 2013, 08:23:54 AM »

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19768

The Italian journalist whose interview with Pope Francis caused an international sensation has revealed that he made up some of the answers that he attributed to the Pope.

Eugenio Scalfari, the founder of La Repubblica, had based the interview on a conversation with the Pope. Scalfari did not record the conversation, nor did he take notes. The 89-year-old editor reconstructed the interview from memory.

Before publishing the interview in La Repubblica, Scalfari wrote to ask the Pope’s permission. He warned the Pontiff:

Keep in mind that I did not include some of the things that you said to me. And that some of the things that I attribute to you, you did not say.

Despite that warning, Scalfari says, the Pope—through his secretary, Msgr. Alfred Xuereb—gave permission to run the interview without changes.

“I am perfectly willing to think that some of the things that I wrote and attributed to him are not shared by the Pope,” Scalfari now concedes.

When the interview first appeared, the Vatican press office said that it was an accurate representation of the Pope’s thinking, although the quotations attributed to the Pontiff might not be exact. The text of the interview was posted on the Vatican web site. But this week that text was removed.

The fact that Francis never took issue with the interview results and the fact that it apparently still presented his "thinking" per the bolded above, I'm not feeling like this atheist journalist wrote anything that was really "made up".

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2013, 05:41:05 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

The fact that Francis never took issue with the interview results and the fact that it apparently still presented his "thinking" per the bolded above, I'm not feeling like this atheist journalist wrote anything that was really "made up".

It would seem the above quote is of your words, 2Vermont, since they do not appear on the linked article page.

There are a number of varying reports on this scandalous 'interview' but the one thing that stands out and is not refuted by any of the reports is that Scalfari submitted a copy of his 'interview' to the Vatican and there was no reply asking him to change anything or warning him not to publish it.

Therefore, whatever it said (and we know what that was) did not raise any suspicions in the Holy See. That alone speaks volumes.

We might suppose that an ATHEIST journalist would have a prejudice of some kind, but also recall that he is an experienced journalist, so he probably knows what he can get away with in this game.

But I would agree, it would seem from all concerns that Scalfari likely did not really make anything up, for if what he wrote was not exactly what Francis had said, then it doesn't really matter, since neither Francis or any of his representatives have bothered to insist on a retraction or a correction of any kind.

It would seem that we have a pope who believes in (a) God, but not in "a Catholic God."

I like to wonder about the presence or absence of that word "a" there before God because that is the letter that some heretical sect inserted in their copy of the Bible in verse 1 of Chapter 1 of St. John's Gospel, the one our traditional priests read for the LAST Gospel most every day. It makes God into one among many, that is, polytheism, or perhaps pantheism.

This is not too far removed from Taoism, actually.

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2Vermont · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2013, 06:05:53 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: 2Vermont

The fact that Francis never took issue with the interview results and the fact that it apparently still presented his "thinking" per the bolded above, I'm not feeling like this atheist journalist wrote anything that was really "made up".

It would seem the above quote is of your words, 2Vermont, since they do not appear on the linked article page.

There are a number of varying reports on this scandalous 'interview' but the one thing that stands out and is not refuted by any of the reports is that Scalfari submitted a copy of his 'interview' to the Vatican and there was no reply asking him to change anything or warning him not to publish it.

Therefore, whatever it said (and we know what that was) did not raise any suspicions in the Holy See. That alone speaks volumes.

We might suppose that an ATHEIST journalist would have a prejudice of some kind, but also recall that he is an experienced journalist, so he probably knows what he can get away with in this game.

But I would agree, it would seem from all concerns that Scalfari likely did not really make anything up, for if what he wrote was not exactly what Francis had said, then it doesn't really matter, since neither Francis or any of his representatives have bothered to insist on a retraction or a correction of any kind.

It would seem that we have a pope who believes in (a) God, but not in "a Catholic God."

I like to wonder about the presence or absence of that word "a" there before God because that is the letter that some heretical sect inserted in their copy of the Bible in verse 1 of Chapter 1 of St. John's Gospel, the one our traditional priests read for the LAST Gospel most every day. It makes God into one among many, that is, polytheism, or perhaps pantheism.

This is not too far removed from Taoism, actually.

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Yes they were my words. I'm sorry for not separating them more, but I did not italicize them as I did with the words from the article.

So far what I have seen of Francis' recent docuмent it seems as if much of what was written in the interview is discussed again in Francis; own words.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2013, 10:03:09 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Yes they were my words. I'm sorry for not separating them more, but I did not italicize them as I did with the words from the article.

I have no idea why I didn't notice the italics. Duuh. But it worked out okay.

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So far what I have seen of Francis' recent docuмent it seems as if much of what was written in the interview is discussed again in Francis' own words.

Maybe it would help if you could post a copy of what discussion you're referring to?

I didn't hear that Francis has had anything to say about this. I was thinking that they have been kind of making it into a media event for the benefit of the atheist interviewer or something. This linked article above sounds like he's fishing for making the news again like it's a kind of achievement to grab headlines:

Quote from: Eugenio Sacalfari (the atheist)

“I am perfectly willing to think that some of the things that I wrote and attributed to him are not shared by the Pope,” Scalfari now concedes.

It just has the "look and feel" of some kind of money-grabbing ploy by getting advertisers' rating points, regardless of the doctrinal content. Like the truth has become the servant of "ratings," or that God is reduced to serving mammon.

Quote from: the linked article

The text of the interview was posted on the Vatican web site. But this week that text was removed.

The text was removed, was it? Did they offer any comment or explanation? I expect not, just as the Menzingen denizens scrub their website of particular content so as to avoid the truth, and the Great One adjusts his "speeches" to reflect the "new agenda" whatever the latest ploy is that he's dreamed up.

It's all APPEARANCES, and people are shallow -- they forget.

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2Vermont · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2013, 07:09:02 AM »

I am referring to his recent Apostolic Exhortation, Evangelii Guadium. I posted that in a new thread. From the excerpts I have seen so far, it sounds as Modernist as the interview. Scalfari Part Deux.....but longer, much longer.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2013, 10:23:36 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

I am referring to his recent Apostolic Exhortation, Evangelii Guadium. I posted that in a new thread. From the excerpts I have seen so far, it sounds as Modernist as the interview. Scalfari Part Deux.....but longer, much longer.

It helps to provide a link when mentioning another thread so readers don't have to spend time hunting. Most readers won't bother to look around.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Francis-Apostolic-Exhortation-Evangelli-Guadium

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2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2013, 02:14:50 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: 2Vermont
I am referring to his recent Apostolic Exhortation, Evangelii Guadium. I posted that in a new thread. From the excerpts I have seen so far, it sounds as Modernist as the interview. Scalfari Part Deux.....but longer, much longer.

It helps to provide a link when mentioning another thread so readers don't have to spend time hunting. Most readers won't bother to look around.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Francis-Apostolic-Exhortation-Evangelli-Guadium

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Fair enough. I will try to remember this.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2013, 04:51:47 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: 2Vermont
I am referring to his recent Apostolic Exhortation, Evangelii Guadium. I posted that in a new thread. From the excerpts I have seen so far, it sounds as Modernist as the interview. Scalfari Part Deux.....but longer, much longer.

It helps to provide a link when mentioning another thread so readers don't have to spend time hunting. Most readers won't bother to look around.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Francis-Apostolic-Exhortation-Evangelli-Guadium

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Fair enough. I will try to remember this.

Thank you. There are a number of shortcomings with this platform but if members could take a minute to add the missing details it makes up for the features that could be automatic with a more full-featured forum.

Another member has posted that the text of this encyclical has been removed from the Vatican website in this thread, which is about Fr. Kramer and his recent circulating statements and call to action.

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