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Offline MiserereMei

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Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2020, 12:47:33 PM »
Honest question for those well versed in Church history (I declare myself ignorant on this). At what point or what event triggered the first Christians not recognizing the High Priests as the authority? My question is because, if I'm not mistaken, both St Peter and St Paul still regarded them as to have some authority even after Pentecost, when they were brought before the Sanhedrin?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2020, 12:59:38 PM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on July 27, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
XavierSem never tires of recycling old arguments that have been addressed by sedes many times before.  He is blind.

Here's something new: http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1845

And something that has been around for a while: https://romeward.com/articles/239749895/a-valid-papal-election-without-cardinals

Yeah, he just re-pastes the same tired old bad syllogisms over and over again.  His arguments mean nothing to me, as I lean sedeprivationist and none of it is relevant, but the sedevacantists thoroughly refuted this stuff on previous threads.  I had previously believed this was a legitimate objection against sedevacantism, but your arguments won me over.  I still lean privationist because I believe that there must be some role of Church authority in determining papal deposition, that Aunt Helen (Father Cekada's favorite) doesn't have the right or authority to effectively depose popes.  But these arguments made by Xavier fall flat.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2020, 01:02:02 PM »
Xavier, do you believe, with +Schneider and +Vigano, that there are serious errors in Vatican II?
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Offline DecemRationis

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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2020, 01:32:28 PM »
Quote from: Shrewd Operator on July 27, 2020, 10:39:18 PM
Another example,

Jesus and the Pharisees,

Jesus never questioned the legitimacy of the Pharisees, but He denounced their errors and crimes at every turn.

He did this for His entire public ministry until He had made His final sacrifice (with their ungodly assistance). He then ended the chastisement of the Pharisees' faithlessness and began His reign of peace by appointing a worthy pope.

I've made this point here repeatedly. 

As to the reign of the Pharisees ending: I would rather say it was passed on. 

See attached from the original Rheims translation of the New Testatment, courtesy of the edition of  Dr. Von Peters (http://realdouayrheims.com/)

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Offline DecemRationis

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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2020, 01:40:13 PM »
Our Lord also said, "beware . . . of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees." 

The Robber Council . . . 

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