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Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2020, 10:45:03 AM »
What ordinary is the Resistance submitting to?  If you aren't submitting to an ordinary, how do you justify the necessity of an ordinary?
You used the word “submitting”! Get ready for Stubborn to chime in.....3....2....1

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2020, 11:03:15 AM »
What ordinary is the Resistance submitting to?  If you aren't submitting to an ordinary, how do you justify the necessity of an ordinary?
Every ordinary in the world (insofar as what he teaches or commands is consistent with the magisterium).


Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2020, 11:41:34 AM »
Can popes be resisted forever without undermining the necessity of the Petrine ministry?

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2020, 11:56:53 AM »
Every ordinary in the world (insofar as what he teaches or commands is consistent with the magisterium).

You have no clue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_situation_of_the_Society_of_Saint_Pius_X

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In 2009, Pope Benedict XVI reaffirmed that: "Until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church."[19] The status of the SSPX was not changed by Benedict in 2009. This has to some extent been superseded with regard to the exercise by SSPX ministers of ministry within the Catholic Church, but not as regards the canonical status of the society as viewed by the Holy See.

On 20 November 2016, Pope Francis personally extended for priests of the society, until further provisions are made, the faculty by which "those faithful who, for various reasons, attend churches officiated by the priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, can validly and licitly receive the sacramental absolution of their sins", a faculty he had already granted for the duration of the 2015–16 Jubilee Year.[20] Confession, along with marriage, requires the granting of the required faculty for validity: "The valid absolution of sins requires that the minister have, in addition to the power of orders, the faculty of exercising it for the faithful to whom he imparts absolution" (Code of Canon Law 966.1).[21]

That's the SSPX situation.  The Resistance situation is such that the pope you recognize doesn't even think you are Catholic.  Bishop Williamson is excommunicated.  You don't even have "partial communion" (whatever that means) with your pope.  Your recognition of him does nothing for you.  If he really is the pope, you aren't a member of the Catholic Church.  Your only hope is that Fr. Chazal is correct.

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2020, 12:00:29 PM »
Because many sedevacantists hold that Pope Pius XII was the last pope and that the See of St. Peter has been vacant since then, for almost 62 years.
How do some Roman rite trads justify not following Pius XII's directives, for example rejecting the revised Roman rite holy week?