Author Topic: As the trad clergy turn...and break...and fly apart. (Read 4268 times)

Lighthouse · « **on:** August 16, 2011, 06:28:12 PM »

It seems that we have seen some heating-up in the groups that went contra SGG, and forged their own way. Have they gone too far? We now have one contra website praising the offshoots of the main group, while another contra website saying that indeed the majority consecrator of the group is possibly lacking valid credentials, thus throwing shadows on the whole latter part of the line.

This would raise some huge questions in regard to many of the newer priests(?) in this line.

Where does this group go from here?

:detective:

Sigismund · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2011, 07:52:31 PM »

How about actually telling us who these groups are and exactly what they say. If you are not prepared to do that, then you should not have brought it up in the first place.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2011, 09:40:53 PM »

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be mysterious. The three main websites who are contra SGG are Pastrina Liturgica, The Lay Pulpit, and Vultures of Vaudeville. A google will get you there.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2011, 10:25:34 PM »

Why don't you just come out and say what's on your mind, Lighthouse?

I tried slogging through those websites and have no idea what you are getting at.

Thanks.

Caminus · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2011, 10:59:49 PM »

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The Lay Pulpit

That says it all.

SJB · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:10:15 AM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

It seems that we have seen some heating-up in the groups that went contra SGG, and forged their own way. Have they gone too far? We now have one contra website praising the offshoots of the main group, while another contra website saying that indeed the majority consecrator (Bp. Dolan) of the group is possibly lacking valid credentials (because of an ordination with one hand by Archbishop Lefebvre), thus throwing shadows on the whole latter part of the line.

This would raise some huge questions in regard to many of the newer priests(?) in this line.

Where does this group go from here?

:detective:

Who are these "groups" as in plural?

I see valid questions everywhere and with everyone, it seems. Isn't that just part of the crisis of authority and evidence of it?

These questions are not new.

SJB · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:29:52 AM »

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The Lay Pulpit

That says it all.

Funny, coming from the "lay theologian." :roll-laugh1:

Caminus · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:31:07 AM »

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The Lay Pulpit

That says it all.

Funny, coming from the "lay theologian." :roll-laugh1:

It would be if I had a pulpit. But I am no theologian so your statement is only half true.

SJB · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:36:06 AM »

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The Lay Pulpit

That says it all.

Funny, coming from the "lay theologian." :roll-laugh1:

It would be if I had a pulpit. But I am no theologian so your statement is only half true.

A "Lay Theologian" does not need an actual pulpit nor did I mention one.

Caminus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:42:58 AM »

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The Lay Pulpit

That says it all.

Funny, coming from the "lay theologian." :roll-laugh1:

It would be if I had a pulpit. But I am no theologian so your statement is only half true.

A "Lay Theologian" does not need an actual pulpit nor did I mention one.

Well then from whence do you draw the irony? The term "Pulpit" was significant here. And as I said, the only truth contained in your statement is that I'm a layman.

SJB · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:54:50 AM »

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The Lay Pulpit

That says it all.

Funny, coming from the "lay theologian." :roll-laugh1:

It would be if I had a pulpit. But I am no theologian so your statement is only half true.

A "Lay Theologian" does not need an actual pulpit nor did I mention one.

Well then from whence do you draw the irony? The term "Pulpit" was significant here. And as I said, the only truth contained in your statement is that I'm a layman.

A "lay theologian" taking issue with a "lay pulpit". "Lay" is the key word here and that's from whence the irony comes.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:20:58 AM »

Reading the full critique "Lost in Translation", it rather seems to me that the author does not really want to put doubts on the validity (he never states this), but rather to show their inadequate knowledge of Latin:

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Finally, this episode really demonstrates that if theology is done in Latin, the participants must know it well or risk ridicule.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2011, 10:14:19 AM »

And I am very sure that he also knows that physical contact does not even pertain to the substance of the Sacrament. The decisions of the Holy See in these regards are very clear, so there is no ground for a real discussion anyway.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2011, 11:05:13 AM »

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It seems that we have seen some heating-up in the groups that went contra SGG, and forged their own way. Have they gone too far? We now have one contra website praising the offshoots of the main group, while another contra website saying that indeed the majority consecrator (Bp. Dolan) of the group is possibly lacking valid credentials (because of an ordination with one hand by Archbishop Lefebvre), thus throwing shadows on the whole latter part of the line.

This would raise some huge questions in regard to many of the newer priests(?) in this line.

Where does this group go from here?

:detective:

Who are these "groups" as in plural?

I see valid questions everywhere and with everyone, it seems. Isn't that just part of the crisis of authority and evidence of it?

These questions are not new.

First of all, it is not considered good form to quote someone and to add one's own words without differentiating the added words with proper attribution of what is quoted and what is added. Simple bolding or parentheses are hardly adequate.

Are you speaking of valid questions or validity questions? Because the validity question IS new, at least to me, although I admit I do not get out much.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2011, 11:23:15 AM »

I am guessing people are referring to Cajetan (banned from Cathinfo) who has taken up the cause of Frs. Greenwell and Jenkins at Immaculate Conception---I have heard Fr. Jenkins call Bp. Dolan "One-Hand Dan".

The SSPV cult geniuses make stuff up as they go along; for example fake names on Bp.Mendez holy cards.

The Immaculate Conception group have even made up their own personal saint,
"St. Monica of Tears"

complete with holy cards, visits to the chapel led by their school teachers, and much more.

Cajetan and the rest of the Immaculate Conception online posse make up creepy names like "Lurch" for their rival clergy in order to deflect attention away from their own secretive cult-like practices.