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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Mark 79 on November 12, 2019, 07:49:02 PM

Title: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 12, 2019, 07:49:02 PM
Sr. Lucy #2 is as phony as Poche 'quotes.'

http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/11/calls-from-message-of-fatima-sister.html (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/11/calls-from-message-of-fatima-sister.html)

http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/11/calls-part-2-for-third-of-century.html (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/11/calls-part-2-for-third-of-century.html)
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 13, 2019, 03:16:03 AM
"Calls" Part 3: If you thought that the Apparition of Our Lady of Mount Carmel on October 13, 1917 had Something to do with Wearing the Brown Scapular, NOT ACCORDING TO "SISTER LUCY."
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/11/calls-part-3-if-you-thought-that.html (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/11/calls-part-3-if-you-thought-that.html)
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 13, 2019, 11:05:53 PM
I don't recall deliberately misquoting anybody.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 14, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
Quote from: poche on November 13, 2019, 11:05:53 PM
I don't recall deliberately misquoting anybody.
Liar! As if you "forgot" your bogus "quote" of Matthew 16:18.

Using a half-quote, only moments ago you lied about scuмbag Jorge having "the same view" as Pope St. Pius X on the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

You are a deceiver.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 14, 2019, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: Mark 79 on November 14, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
Liar! As if you "forgot" your bogus "quote" of Matthew 16:18.

Using a half-quote, only moments ago you lied about scuмbag Jorge having "the same view" as Pope St. Pius X on the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

You are a deceiver.
I did not mis-quote St Pius X.
The Jew was saying words to the effect, "Oh we are a persecuted people."
His holiness replied by saying words to the effect that from his youth he got on well with the Jews. Just the other day he had received  them at his palace. He also said that he believed in collaborating with them in their charitable endeavors.
Wha the wouldn't do is support their socio-political movement of Zionism.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 14, 2019, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: Mark 79 on November 14, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
Liar! As if you "forgot" your bogus "quote" of Matthew 16:18.

Using a half-quote, only moments ago you lied about scuмbag Jorge having "the same view" as Pope St. Pius X on the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

You are a deceiver.
The quote from Matthew 16:18 is where Our Lord confers on Peter and his successors. He said two things. He gave Peter to authority to forgive sins or to hold them bound and they would be bound in Heaven. He also promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Catholic Church. These promises came from the mouth of Our Lord. It is not a lie and it is not a misquote. It is in the Sacred Scriptures. We should remember that no matter how dark things get or seem to get that Jesus made these promises to us and to no other person, place or institution. 
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 12:39:00 AM
Quote from: poche on November 14, 2019, 11:36:11 PM
The quote from Matthew 16:18 is where Our Lord confers on Peter and his successors. He said two things. He gave Peter to authority to forgive sins or to hold them bound and they would be bound in Heaven. He also promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Catholic Church. These promises came from the mouth of Our Lord. It is not a lie and it is not a misquote. It is in the Sacred Scriptures. We should remember that no matter how dark things get or seem to get that Jesus made these promises to us and to no other person, place or institution.
You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18 verse. You substituted "him" for "it" to bolster you equally phony contention about Jorge.


You partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jews. You willfully omitted:

"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" and that Jorge was "paraphrasng St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus made himself the devil.

Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 01:01:09 AM
Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
Deceiver! Son of the Father of Lies.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 15, 2019, 01:37:04 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 12:39:00 AM
You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18 verse. You substituted "him" for "it" to bolster you equally phony contention about Jorge.


You partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jews. You willfully omitted:

"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" and that Jorge was "paraphrasng St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus made himself the devil.

Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.
Not favoring the Zionist movement does not equal overt and nasty hostility toward the Jews. At that time there were many Jews who did not favor the Zionist movement. 
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 15, 2019, 01:37:37 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 01:01:09 AM
Deceiver! Son of the Father of Lies.
Are you saying that Jesus is the son of the father of lies?
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 01:42:20 AM
Quote from: poche on November 15, 2019, 01:37:37 AM
Are you saying that Jesus is the son of the father of lies?
You are a serial liar.

You even falsified scripture.

YOU are the son of the Father of Lies.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 01:45:34 AM
Quote from: poche on November 15, 2019, 01:37:04 AM
Not favoring the Zionist movement does not equal overt and nasty hostility toward the Jews. At that time there were many Jews who did not favor the Zionist movement.

You are slippery like the serpent himself.

You are the one who said Jorge and Pope St. Pius had the "same" position on the Jews.

You have used a selective partial quote to bolster your lie.

Jorge is a Judaizer, advancing not only Hasidic Kabbalistic Judaism but also Zionism. Jorge is not "the same" but the opposite of Pope St. Pius X.

You are a son of the Father of Lies, a slippery serpent, a deceiver, a serial liar.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 19, 2019, 02:59:03 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 01:45:34 AM
You are slippery like the serpent himself.

You are the one who said Jorge and Pope St. Pius had the "same" position on the Jews.

You have used a selective partial quote to bolster your lie.

Jorge is a Judaizer, advancing not only Hasidic Kabbalistic Judaism but also Zionism. Jorge is not "the same" but the opposite of Pope St. Pius X.

You are a son of the Father of Lies, a slippery serpent, a deceiver, a serial liar.
If Pope Francis is so pro-Jєωιѕн then why did he do so many things that were against them?
  The daily said Israeli authorities were unhappy with the brevity of the visit and the fact that the prelate will not celebrate mass in Israel, but in the West Bank, which is part of the Palestinian territories.
The Vatican used the term "State of Palestine" for the first time in January 2013.
https://www.newvision.co.ug/new_vision/news/1336345/pope-francis-visit-holy-land
Pope Francis visits the Holy Land
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Pope Francis receives flowers after a meeting with children from nearby Palestinian refugee camps on May 25, 2014 during a visit to the Dheisheh camp, on the outskirts of Bethlehem.
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Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 19, 2019, 03:00:14 AM
Pope Francis visits the Holy Land
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Pope Francis speaks during a meeting with children from nearby Palestinian refugee camps on May 25, 2014, during a visit to the Dheisheh camp, on the outskirts of Bethlehem. Pope Francis made an impassioned plea for the protection of children at a mass in Bethlehem's Manger Square in the West Bank, where rights groups say minors are mistreated by Israel.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/pope-francis-visits-the-holy-land/17/
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Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 19, 2019, 03:20:05 AM
Pope Francis visits the Holy Land
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Here Pope FRancis is showing solidarity with the Palistinians during his trip to the Holy Land. This doesn't look very тαℓмυdic to me.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/pope-francis-visits-the-holy-land/18/
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Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 19, 2019, 08:44:12 AM
(https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/anti-pope-francis-menorah.jpg)

Here is Jorge celebrating a Judaic rite infallibly damned by Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence.

Yep, тαℓмυdic. You, Poche, are a LIAR.

“§ 712 It [the Holy Catholic Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to Divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the Sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circuмcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors….
 
“§714 The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,’ (Matthew 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, alms deeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
 
Cantate Domino, from the infallible ecuмenical Council of Florence under His Holiness Pope Eugene IV defining the Solemn Doctrine: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (“Outside the Church, there is no salvation.”), promulgated by papal bull, February 4, 1444 [Florentine calendar] in Denziger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, § 712-714
 
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on November 19, 2019, 07:35:13 PM
https://youtu.be/xf7ejRWB2LE (https://youtu.be/xf7ejRWB2LE)
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: poche on November 19, 2019, 11:59:17 PM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 19, 2019, 07:35:13 PM
https://youtu.be/xf7ejRWB2LE (https://youtu.be/xf7ejRWB2LE)
That is not Pope Francis.
Title: Re: As phony as Poche's 'quotes'
Post by: Mark 79 on November 20, 2019, 12:31:18 AM
This isn't Pope Francis either. This is Rabbi Jorge Bergoglio:

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