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Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2019, 01:53:24 PM »
NFP is not easy, people don't do it for fun, they do it for a purpose.  The purpose is to allow them to have sex, with the minimum possible chance of that resulting in conception.  Their "intent" is 100% clear - to avoid conception. Surely that is a very clear simple and obvious sin.

And sometimes that purpose is to conceive. 

Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2019, 03:59:36 PM »
And sometimes that purpose is to conceive.
Indeed and there is clearly no sin in that ! 


Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2019, 04:29:52 PM »
As a couple whose chances of conceiving are, naturally speaking, all the time, low or near to impossible, do not sin if they continue to have marital relations, provided the secondary ends are always subordinated to the primary, a fortiori a couple whose chances of conceiving are, naturally speaking, during a particular time, low, do not sin if they continue to have marital relations during that time, provided the secondary ends remain always subordinated to the primary. So, NFP certainly isn't intrinsically evil, as contraception is.

In the Holy Bible, God Almighty strikes Onan dead for practicing contraception. Gen 38. Some forms of contraception were called Onanism historically just as some forms of the sin of sodom were named after that city that was destroyed in fire. Also, it is worth noting that every form of perverted sɛҳuąƖ relations, so widely promoted today in every way, are all intrinsically contraceptive and closed to life.

A confessor's advice should be sought to see in the concrete case if sufficiently grave reasons exist to have marital relations only during infertile or near to infertile times. As others mentioned, the Rhythm mentioned involves nothing more than periodic continence. Those who wish to argue that that is wrong must prove (1) either that complete abstinence is wrong, or (2) that couples are bound to have marital relations only on days of normal or maximum fertility. Some couples indeed do that, to maximize chances of conceiving, but clearly periodic continence cannot be per se wrong in itself, unless either continence itself is wrong, or one is bound to (2). So, it is not intrinsically wrong, but it is wrong, by the doctrine of double effect, to practice it without a sufficiently grave reason, which DE requires.


Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2019, 05:10:15 PM »
Sometimes infertility can be caused by hypothyroidism.

That was our case. Both my husband and I suffer from hypothyroidism. Major symptoms are tiredness and lack of energy, infertility, cold hands and cold feet, a consistent low basal body temperature, weight issues, etc.. Perhaps the worse of the symptoms is low immunity, so that a person with hypothyroidism suffers one cold or flu after another and wounds do not heal as rapidly as they should. After I had a miscarriage and noticed that I did not have regular periods, I asked my GP, an Italian pro-life doctor, if thyroid would help. He agreed.

I conceived my first and only child after taking the thyroid for two months. It was a wonderful Christmas surprise. However, my gynecologist immediately took me off thyroid saying that it might harm the baby. Within one week, I was having cramps and feared for my child's life. After pleading with the doctor, my gynecologist gave me a prescription for thyroid, and the cramps stopped immediately upon taking the first dose. After the birth of my son, the doctor took me off thyroid saying that the thyroid would be in the breast milk and could harm the child. My GP was no longer practicing medicine, so I searched for a new doctor who would prescribe thyroid, but none could be found.

Basically, no doctor would prescribe thyroid for me until after I was menopausal. I believe that this lack of thyroid was forced upon me to prevent me from having any more children. Had I realized this earlier, I would have consulted with only Catholic pro-life doctors.

This is why it is extremely important only to consult with Catholic pro-life doctors.

Another important fact: natural thyroid is much safer than artificial thyroids manufactured by Big Pharma:
Synthroid and Levothyroxine. These artificial thyroid drugs have side effects such as moodiness, etc.
As a result, they can contribute to divorce.

I recently found a source of natural bovine (cow) thyroid that can be ordered through the mail without the necessity of having a prescription.

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If you must use NFP, my recommendation is to stay far away from the Couple-to-Couple League as they are heavily into the Theology of the Body and advocate some practices that can lead to temptation and/or illness.


Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2019, 08:14:08 PM »
Boy, you are right about Couple to Couple.  They are so tight on the reins to not get pregnant.  I teach Billings.  I taught couples how to get pregnant.  Only one woman, a jew, wanted to wait on children after having had 7.

I have had so much joy helping women/couples achieve pregnancy.  And boy, did I find a lot of rotten doctors.  I found Couple to Couple in Phoenix, in the 90's to have a list of doctors to choose from.  Every doctor on that list was a contraception giving doctor, except one.  only one!  Come to find out, there was money involved.

The anatomy /physiology is God Given Design.  NFP came about by those wanting to make money from the Federal gov't.  NFP is a secular way of teaching no God.

Makes a big difference.  Dr. Billings said at the conference I attended, " This is God's not yours!" and walked away, mad!  That was in New Orleans about 1991.