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Offline tdrev123

Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« on: October 15, 2019, 08:47:41 PM »
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/10/multiplication-problems.html

What are your thoughts?  He essentially claims that the church has taught NFP infallibly through the magisterium.  

I hope to start a civil discussion
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2019, 04:47:17 AM »
Quote from: tdrev123 on October 15, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/10/multiplication-problems.html

What are your thoughts?  He essentially claims that the church has taught NFP infallibly through the magisterium.  

I hope to start a civil discussion
That's just the opinion of a nobody. NFP has never been taught infallible. One has to be very careful when they play that game (NFP), it is a most serious matter. Today, people use NFP to avoid children, like the world uses contraceptives. Avoiding children by contraceptives is worse than abortion, for in abortion the child has a soul and goes to Limbo to live a perfect earthly life for all eternity, while in contracepting, no soul is ever created, their existence was altogether snuffed away.


If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)

St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein. Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
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Offline donkath

Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2019, 05:45:09 AM »
I think one of the points being made is that refraining from sɛҳuąƖ relations during the fertile period is different to actual contraception.
The former involves no specific act or interference with the natural processes of a woman's cycle, whereas contraception is a deliberate act that frustrates the natural processes.  The act is inherently evil in itself.   If there is no actual contraceptive employed then a sin of concupiscence can be the result which is a different sin.   It puts the husband in a dangerous situation.  He may have good intentions but over a period of days the question must be asked have both spouses committed no sin of impurity during that time?    It seems that at best a couple who chooses NFP are risking sinning which would seem to be sinful in itself.   So there are all degrees of sin involved even with those of good intentions.  The one big difference is that a contraceptive can also be an abortifaction.

When NFP was first discovered and taught by the Drs. Billings husband and wife team it was promoted as having to be with the proper disposition such as has a priest when choosing celibacy.  And if by any chance a baby resulted when employing NFP he/she must be accepted and submitted to willingly as God's will.  So in marriage it seems obvious that it should never be practiced.

It is uncharitable, to say the least, to attack Fr. Feeney or even home-aloners/R&R's as if they are all of the same mind about everything.
Each person's state of soul is known only to God and these matters should be removed from any consideration of the subject in hand.
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Offline DLaurentius

Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2019, 06:00:09 AM »
Quote from: tdrev123 on October 15, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/10/multiplication-problems.html

What are your thoughts?  He essentially claims that the church has taught NFP infallibly through the magisterium.  

I hope to start a civil discussion
There are some who say it is at least a venial sin even if it is used for a grave cause. This position is explained on the following blog post: http://philotheaonphire.blogspot.com/

However, I know there are some good priests like Father Chazal who are argue that it can licitly be used if there is grave cause (ie. real danger of death). In any case, almost
all traditional Catholic priests would agree that complete abstinence is generally more virtuous than using NFP.  
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Offline SusanneT

Re: Article on NFP from introiboadaltaredei
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2019, 07:59:26 AM »
The gift of life in the womb is just that a gift from God and as women we are called to submit to God (and our husbands) not to seek to assert our will.  

The use of NFP, may not alter the actual act, but it does follow from a wish to exert control, rather than submit.  Of course God can bless us despite our wishes and intention, but it must be fundamentally sinful to take any action, other than to submit to him, to be open to life and to accept the blessing of motherhood as often as he chooses.

In my view no Godly husband should expect, encourage or permit his wife to do anything except submit to God. 
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