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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Arian Heresy...
« on: October 22, 2013, 12:56:55 PM »
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    • By special request, from Capt McQuigg, we have the Arian Heresy.  

    I'm no expert, and I have not the time to look it up at the moment.  Does anyone want to get us started and state what happened?  Just a sort of Cliff's Notes version to begin with?

    I'm due to interpret it at some point, hopefully in the near future.  

    If we have past threads about it, link to it, and we can use that thread as a resource.


    PS, for any latecomers, this is all in regards to understanding the current sedevacantist position.


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    Arian Heresy...
    « Reply #1 on: October 22, 2013, 01:13:32 PM »
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    Arian Heresy...
    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2013, 01:16:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    By special request, from Capt McQuigg, we have the Arian Heresy.  

    I'm no expert, and I have not the time to look it up at the moment.  Does anyone want to get us started and state what happened?  Just a sort of Cliff's Notes version to begin with?

    I'm due to interpret it at some point, hopefully in the near future.  

    If we have past threads about it, link to it, and we can use that thread as a resource.


    PS, for any latecomers, this is all in regards to understanding the current sedevacantist position.


    -Laramie


    Nobody should want to hear your musings on the Arian Heresy. How about just providing an learned and approved source that discusses the period of the Arian Heresy.
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    Arian Heresy...
    « Reply #3 on: October 22, 2013, 01:26:14 PM »
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    Nobody should want to hear your musings on the Arian Heresy. How about just providing an learned and approved source that discusses the period of the Arian Heresy.


    Hmmm.  That's odd.  I was under the impression that someone wanted to examine it with me.  Lemme think.  

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    Laramie,

    Please start a thread about the Arian heresy and how you interpret it.  


    Oh!  It was the Captain! :smirk:

    Would you look at that.

    SJB, before you toss one of your nasty pedantic hand grenades into this thread, how about you do something constructive, as TP once did in the Lumen Genitiumumum thread, and provide that approved source that you elude to.
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    Arian Heresy...
    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 01:37:18 PM »
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    • I'm here, glad to see this thread, interested in what can be learned from it.  I would really, really like to read an explanation of the ecclesiology of the Arian period from a knowledgeable sedevacantist.  
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    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 01:54:16 PM »
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    Nobody should want to hear your musings on the Arian Heresy. How about just providing an learned and approved source that discusses the period of the Arian Heresy.


    Hmmm.  That's odd.  I was under the impression that someone wanted to examine it with me.  Lemme think.  

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    Laramie,

    Please start a thread about the Arian heresy and how you interpret it.  


    Oh!  It was the Captain! :smirk:

    Would you look at that.

    SJB, before you toss one of your nasty pedantic hand grenades into this thread, how about you do something constructive, as TP once did in the Lumen Genitiumumum thread, and provide that approved source that you elude to.


    Laramie, YOU should interpret an ancient heresy by the obvious commentary generated by approved teachers in the Church. That's the entire point that your "do it yourself" mind can't seem to grasp. You're just an idiot with a blog. Your opinion is of NO weight whatsoever.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 02:20:24 PM »
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    • Hmmm...is this all you guys are going to do here?  What a disappointment.  
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    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 02:41:41 PM »
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    Hmmm...is this all you guys are going to do here?  What a disappointment.  


    If you want to listen to an idiot talk about what he thinks about the Arian Heresy, go right ahead.  :rolleyes:
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    Arian Heresy...
    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2013, 02:45:43 PM »
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    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2013, 02:59:41 PM »
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    • I indicated in detail what I was interested in already.  

    You come off like kind of an ass, SJB.  I'm sure you're not, in reality.  

    Do you have any recommended reading on this subject?  Or personal knowledge?  I'm totally serious about my desire to know.  I've studied Arianism before, but never focusing on the ecclesiology and how the episcopal issues were resolved in the end.  
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    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 03:51:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: icterus
    I indicated in detail what I was interested in already.  

    You come off like kind of an ass, SJB.  I'm sure you're not, in reality.  

    Do you have any recommended reading on this subject?  Or personal knowledge?  I'm totally serious about my desire to know.  I've studied Arianism before, but never focusing on the ecclesiology and how the episcopal issues were resolved in the end.  


    Yes, I understand you might think that but what I said is true nonetheless. The fact that I haven't yet recommended any sources is another issue.

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    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2013, 04:50:44 PM »
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    • So, you're just here to keep people from discussing the Arian heresy?  
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    « Reply #12 on: October 22, 2013, 07:31:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: icterus
    So, you're just here to keep people from discussing the Arian heresy?  


    Can we be a little more specific about this?  What is it about Arianism that we wish to discuss here?
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    « Reply #13 on: October 22, 2013, 07:35:18 PM »
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    So, you're just here to keep people from discussing the Arian heresy?  

    Not at all, but not to apply their own interpretations to the current crisis. It's like discussing moral issues without any reference to a catechism or moral theology manual. Some people merrily go about it this way; I detest it.

    A quick Google search reveals the following, but it looks like it's not an Ebook:

    The History of Heresies and Their Refutation By St Alphonsus M Liguori
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    Arian Heresy...
    « Reply #14 on: October 22, 2013, 08:24:27 PM »
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    The History of Heresies and Their Refutation By St Alphonsus M Liguori


    That is a start.  

    Also, I have a book by Hillaire Belloc about heresies, but I'm starting to think it only covers the Protestant Revolt.
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