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St. Paul talks about the "falling away" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3

No way, what a nutty thought!
1 (2.9%)
Who cares! Irrelevant. Get lost newbie trash!
1 (2.9%)
Maybe, no way to know...
7 (20.6%)
Yes, it started sometime before Vatican II (please specifiy)
11 (32.4%)
Yes, it started with the promulgation of Vatican II
12 (35.3%)
Yes, it started with the new "Synodal Church" of Francis
2 (5.9%)

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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2024, 03:59:48 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 21, 2024, 10:00:41 AM
You're oversimplifying it.  There would be a period of peace, let's say 40-50 years.  Then the Holy Emperor dies and his kingdom is split up into 10 kingdoms.  Then the decline begins.  This could take another 40 years.  Then the antichrist comes onto the scene, as a young prodigy and fights battles at a young age, say 18.  (The Church Fathers say that the antichrist will be a military genius at a young age). 


The 10 kings start bickering with one another, the world becomes more lax, the previous religious fervor declines.  The antichrist doesn't come into power until age 30 (to mock Our Lord).  So from age 18-30 there are political skirmishes as the 10 kings jockey for power. 

40 years of peace.
40 years of post-peace, moral decline.
12 years of war, with a young pre-antichrist winning battles.
52 years later, the antichrist gains power.

Very reasonable.  It's been roughly 50 years since the end of the Vietnam war.  It's been a longer time since V2.  What young adult in their 20s or 30s even CARES about V2 or Vietnam?  What adults in their 40s or 50s care about Vietnam?  They weren't alive.  Same for V2.

I think you underestimate the power of time and the short attention-span of the avg human being.
But how long will it take to get to the peace part?  
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2024, 06:04:09 PM »
I just wanted to quote this option from the poll:


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Yes, it started sometime before Vatican II (please specify)

More people selected this option than any other option in the poll, and yet none of them "please specified". So, if you selected this option, can you "please specify" the time before Vatican II that you think the great apostasy began?
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Offline Michelle

Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2024, 07:37:49 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on November 22, 2024, 06:04:09 PM
I just wanted to quote this option from the poll:


More people selected this option than any other option in the poll, and yet none of them "please specified". So, if you selected this option, can you "please specify" the time before Vatican II that you think the great apostasy began?
The majority of Catholics at the time of Vatll must have been lukewarm with no great love for the Church and her teachings.  Most just went along or fell away completely. Maybe they were just bench warmers going through the motions. That is why I voted in the poll "before Vatican ll." 
St. Paul tell us that "because men did not receive the love of truth, God sends them the operation of error."
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2024, 05:42:30 PM »
Quote from: Michelle on November 22, 2024, 07:37:49 PM
The majority of Catholics at the time of Vatll must have been lukewarm with no great love for the Church and her teachings.  Most just went along or fell away completely. Maybe they were just bench warmers going through the motions. That is why I voted in the poll "before Vatican ll." 

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Let me try this one last, final time:

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sometime before Vatican II (please specify)

:facepalm:

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St. Paul tell us that "because men did not receive the love of truth, God sends them the operation of error."

So you think the great apostasy began at the time of St. Paul?
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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2024, 07:40:25 PM »
When the Vatican denies Jesus and preaches an evil gospel and the world is evil with many deceived, it’s a part of the great apostasy.

It started before Vatican II with free masonry infiltrated the Catholic Church with modernism.  Pope Pius X gave us warnings.  


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