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St. Paul talks about the "falling away" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3

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Author Topic: Are we in the Great Apostasy?  (Read 11404 times)

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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2024, 08:56:46 AM »
"She shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

Our Lady triumphs over the serpent and his antichrist.
Pope Leo Xlll heard Our Lord and satan having a conversation from the tabernacle.   Our Lord gave him 100 years to try and destroy the Church.

Our Lady to sister Lucy in 1929.  "The time has come for the Holy Father to consecrate Russia to My Immaculate Heart."  (I believe this starts the 100 years, because Our Lady could have asked for this in 1917 but she stated I will come to ask for the consecration)

"If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted and peace will reign throughout the world.

IF Not, Russia will spread her errors raising up wars and persecutions against the Church..........

"IN THE END, my Immaculate Heart will triumph and a period of peace will be granted to the world."
 
"The devil is in the mood for a dicisive (final) battle"  Sr. Lucy

Prophecy is conditional according to man's response.  It is clear that Catholics did not respond.  At this present time in history there are only a very small remnant holding and practicing the true, tradional faith.  Novus Ordo and Protestants do not hold the true faith.
Even Archbishop Lefebvre called Rome Apostate Rome.

At the time of the antichrist,  Enoch and Elias will preach the true gospel throughout the whole world.

Some say the period of peace that will be granted after the antichrist is 45 days.  Others have stated 25 years.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2024, 09:29:11 AM »
Before the antichrist comes, the Catholic Monarchy and the Holy Roman Empire will return.  All of the world is awash in democracy/republic forms of govt.  But the Monarchy will return.  We are living in the End Times (plural) but not the End Time (antichrist).  We are in the end of the 5th age, with the 6th age upon us (short peace) and then the final 7th age (antichrist) to come.


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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2024, 09:34:13 AM »
St Jerome says that (ALL Ecclesiastical writers agree...i.e. unanimous) - the "Kingdom of the Romans" will be destroyed before antichrist arises to power.  There is currently not a Roman Empire.  Thus, we can safely infer that there will be a 3rd and final Roman Empire, as many, many prophecies, Saints and Church Fathers teach.

Since this Roman Empire will be catholic, then it will be a Holy Roman Empire.  Since this Empire will be global, then we can infer that the whole world will be catholic (legally and politically).
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Well, the kingdom of the Romans was destroyed legally in 1823 (or so) by Napoleon, in the sense that he changed the name of the empire to simply Austro-Hungarian Empire. The empire with the new name officially ceased to exist entirely at the end of World War One. So the kingdom of the Romans has definitely been destroyed.

I don't see where you get the idea that there will be three Roman Empires.

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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2024, 09:39:26 AM »
One could debate on what does the being "heard" mean?  If we go by history, then as Christ's time was a peaceful one for the world, then "hearing the Faith" means one had the opportunity, in a foreign land, to peacefully accept the Faith and not be persecuted.  In our present day, many countries are hostile towards Christianity so while many can "hear" the Truth, they don't have the opportunity to peacefully accept it, nor peacefully practice it.  (Many muslims/chinese/africans are under threat of death if they accept the Faith.)  My opinion is that there will be a time (i.e. the 3rd Holy Roman Empire) when there will be peace and thus the "hearing" of the Faith will be easier and genuine.
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People are required to embrace the Faith regardless of whether they will be persecuted for doing so or not. I have never heard of any guarantee that people will not be persecuted for the Faith. On the contrary, Our Lord's words seem to give us a guarantee that we will always be persecuted for being His followers. I don't see any equivalence between hearing the Faith and being able to practice it without being persecuted.

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Re: Are we in the Great Apostasy?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2024, 09:49:08 AM »

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Well, the kingdom of the Romans was destroyed legally in 1823 (or so) by Napoleon, in the sense that he changed the name of the empire to simply Austro-Hungarian Empire. The empire with the new name officially ceased to exist entirely at the end of World War One. So the kingdom of the Romans has definitely been destroyed.

I don't see where you get the idea that there will be three Roman Empires.
I posted the link to another thread where the idea of a 3rd and Final Holy Roman Empire is consistently prophecized throughout the centuries.  And it is nearly unanimous that the Church Fathers proclaim the same.  See quotes which back this idea up.



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People are required to embrace the Faith regardless of whether they will be persecuted for doing so or not. I have never heard of any guarantee that people will not be persecuted for the Faith. On the contrary, Our Lord's words seem to give us a guarantee that we will always be persecuted for being His followers. I don't see any equivalence between hearing the Faith and being able to practice it without being persecuted.
Yes all this is true.  But the Church Fathers are nearly unanimous (if not unanimous) that there will be a period of peace, a period of calm for the Church before the antichrist comes.  And countless prophecies say that the world will be preached the gospel during an extraordinary time of peace for the Church, towards the end of the world. 


These are not my ideas; i'm simply reading what saints/prophecies/Church Fathers say.  And consistently say.