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Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 09:12:42 PM »
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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 07:01:02 PM »
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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 08:05:17 PM »
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  • We are all guilty of Deicide.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #4 on: June 25, 2012, 09:22:29 PM »
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  • Despite a few passages in the OT, I really don't think God is the type to curse an entire "race"- whether they practice Judaism or were just "born that way", for the sins of the Talmudists. However, they did say "his blood be upon us, and on our children" so they very well could have cursed themselves. The sad fact is that the Jews were a lost cause and God knew it. The entire Bible consists of God trying to "bring back" the Jews to the Law- yet to this day they remain disobedient. After so many thousands of years, and finally after sending His own Son to them and seeing him murdered by them in thanks, God probably thought "well, let's give the Gentiles a try..." And we took the torch and ran, didn't we? How grateful we were to receive such a gift as Christ, whose own people murdered him in hatred. Just goes to show that when the Jews hate something, it's probably a good thing worth looking into.


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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2012, 05:46:22 PM »
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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2012, 06:12:38 PM »
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  • Thanks for bumping this.  I had seen it before but I can appreciate it more now.  Does anyone know if Fr. Scott wrote the article in the OP?  It reminds me of his style.
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 12:20:56 AM »
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    Would somebody please explain what this means in this context.


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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 12:32:35 AM »
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    Would somebody please explain what this means in this context.


    It means I posted simply to move the thread to the top of the latest posts.

    (because I saw someone reading it - anyone following the SSPX should be aware of what has been published in the Angelus over the years- so they can understand the huge shift that's occurred in SSPX apologetics)

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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 01:29:54 AM »
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  • Eleison Comments CCXXII, 15 October 2011

    Ancestral Pride

    In his second volume on the life of Jesus published several months ago, Pope Benedict XVI made remarks enabling journalists to jump to the conclusion that the Jews must no longer be held responsible for deicide, i.e. the killing of God. Worse, on May 17 the executive director of the US Bishops’ Conference’s Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs said that one cannot charge the Jewish people with deicide at any time in history without falling out of communion with the Catholic Church. Against what many people today want to believe, it is time to recall, however briefly, what the true Church always used to teach on the judicial murder of Jesus.

    Firstly, the killing of Jesus was truly “deicide”, i.e. the killing of God, because Jesus was the one of the three divine Persons who in addition to his divine nature had taken a human nature. What was killed on the Cross? Only the human nature. But who was killed on the Cross in his human nature? None other than the second divine Person, i.e. God. So God was killed, deicide was committed.

    Secondly, Jesus died on the Cross to save all of us sinful human beings from our sins, and in this sense all men were and are the purpose of his death. But only the Jews (leaders and people) were the prime agents of the deicide because it is obvious from the Gospels that the Gentile most involved, Pontius Pilate, would never have condemned Jesus to death had not the Jewish leaders roused the Jewish people to clamour for his crucifixion (Mt. XXVII, 20). Certainly the learned leaders were more guilty than the unlearned people, says St Thomas Aquinas (Summa III, 47, 5), but they all cried together for Jesus’ blood to come down upon them and their children (Mt. XXVII, 25).

    Thirdly, at least Pope Leo XIII considered there to be a real solidarity between the Jews clamouring then for Jesus to be killed and the collectivity of Jews of modern times. Did he not in his Act of Consecration of the Human Race to the Sacred Heart of Jesus have the entire Church, from the end of the 19th century onwards, pray to God that he turn his “eyes of mercy towards the children of that race, once God’s chosen people: of old they called down upon themselves the Blood of the Saviour; may it now descend upon them a laver (i.e. washing) of redemption and life”?

    But Leo XIII is by no means alone in observing such a continuity amongst Jews down the centuries. Do they themselves not lay claim today to the land of Palestine on the grounds that it is theirs by right from the God of the Old Testament? Has there ever been a race-people-nation on the face of the earth more proudly self-identifying as identical down the ages? Originally raised by God to cradle the Messiah, alas, when he came they refused, collectively, to recognize him. Collectively also, meaning there are always noble exceptions, they have remained faithful to that rejection, so that they changed their religion from that of Abraham and Moses and the Old Testament to that of Anas, Caiphas and the Talmud. Tragically, their very messianic training by God drives them to go on rejecting the one whom they hold to be a false messiah. Until they convert at the end of the world, as the Church has always taught they will do (cf. Rom. XI, 26-27), they seem bound to choose to go on acting, collectively, as enemies of the true Messiah.

    How can the Pope let go of such ancient truths?

    Kyrie eleison.

    Bishop Richard Williamson
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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2012, 08:03:07 AM »
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  • Simple answer-yes as a people, yes to those at the time and those that willingly persist in their unbelief and practice of "judiasm"..........though different degrees of guilt persist.....
    That said, though, each and every human that has existed from Adam/Eve to present and onward, ads to the guilt of sin.....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    Are the Jews guilty of Deicide?
    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2012, 09:23:28 AM »
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  • From the Roman Catechism:

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    Reasons Why Christ Suffered

    The reasons why the Saviour suffered are also to be explained, that thus the greatness and intensity of the divine love towards us may the more fully appear. Should anyone inquire why the Son of God underwent His most bitter Passion, he will find that besides the guilt inherited from our first parents the principal causes were the vice's and crimes which have been perpetrated from the beginning of the world to the present day and those which will be committed to the end of time. In His Passion and death the Son of God, our Saviour, intended to atone for and blot out the sins of all ages, to offer for them to his Father a full and abundant satisfaction.

    Besides, to increase the dignity of this mystery, Christ not only suffered for sinners, but even for those who were the very authors and ministers of all the torments He endured. Of this the Apostle reminds us in these words addressed to the Hebrews: Think diligently upon him that endured such opposition from sinners against himself; that you be not wearied, fainting in your minds. In this guilt are involved all those who fall frequently into sin; for, as our sins consigned Christ the Lord to the death of the cross, most certainly those who wallow in sin and iniquity crucify to themselves again the Son of God, as far as in them lies, and make a mockery of Him. This guilt seems more enormous in us than in the Jews, since according to the testimony of the same Apostle: If they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory; while we, on the contrary, professing to know Him, yet denying Him by our actions, seem in some sort to lay violent hands on him.


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