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Offline IndultCat

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2025, 09:17:39 PM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on November 19, 2025, 09:06:50 PM
Ok, found it. He says "separated brethren". What he doesn't say is "Christian". He says they are deprived of the "fullness of the Christian faith"..so not Christian, because the "Christian faith" must be professed in its entirety.

The word "Christian" is used three times in the entire docuмent. Once as previously mentioned, and then two times specifically referring to Catholics

Do Protestants reject Christ?
Pope Leo XIII's "Our separated brethren" refers to separated brethren in Christ. He would not have used the term "brethren" had he just meant "fellow human beings." And no, Protestants do not reject Christ. Protestantism is a branch of Christianity (1 of 3 branches...2 of which are erroneous and withered and 1 that is not). Protestants, like the Eastern Orthodox, do not reject Christ but hold many erroneous positions concerning His Church while simultaneously believing in the doctrines of the Trinity, Incarnation and early Creeds.
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Offline Bonafidecat

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2025, 09:18:14 PM »
Quote from: IndultCat on November 19, 2025, 08:34:57 PM
Sorry but Pope Leo XIII considered Protestants Christians and referred to them as our "separated brethren" and a Pope's position on such a matter carries infinitely more weight than any member of The Fatima Center.
“So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life. Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic” (Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians by Marian T Horvat
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Offline IndultCat

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2025, 09:24:01 PM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on November 19, 2025, 09:14:13 PM
Clearly, Pope Leo XIII did not believe that Protestants have the Christian faith.
Incorrect. He never referred to Jews or Muslims as "separated brethren" but only the Protestants and Eastern Orthodox because both Protestants and Eastern Orthodox, despite holding many erroneous positions, still adhere to the doctrines of the Trinity, Incarnation and early Creeds. Thus, they are STILL our "brothers" in Christ, albeit "separated brothers" while neither Jews nor Muslims are our "brothers" in Christ.
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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2025, 09:28:57 PM »
Quote from: IndultCat on November 19, 2025, 09:17:39 PM
Pope Leo XIII's "Our separated brethren" refers to separated brethren in Christ. 
Separated in Christ? Can you elaborate?


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He would not have used the term "brethren" had he just meant "fellow human beings."
 Well, he's writing a letter imploring the Protestants to enter the Church.."separated brethren" has a more welcoming tone than something like "anti-Christs" 

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And no, Protestants do not reject Christ. Protestantism is a branch of Christianity
(1 of 3 branches...2 of which are erroneous and withered and 1 that is not). Protestants, like the Eastern Orthodox, do not reject Christ but have take many erroneous positions concerning His Church while simultaneously believing in the Trinity, Incarnation and early Creeds.

Did the "Christ" Protestants believe in institute seven sacraments, the papacy, the Catholic Church, and does he have a perpetual virgin free-from-sin as his mother? 

 
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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2025, 09:32:53 PM »
Quote from: IndultCat on November 19, 2025, 09:24:01 PM
Incorrect. He never referred to Jews or Muslims as "separated brethren" but only the Protestants and Eastern Orthodox because both Protestants and Eastern Orthodox, despite holding many erroneous positions, still adhere to the doctrines of the Trinity, Incarnation and early Creeds. Thus, they are STILL our "brothers" in Christ, albeit "separated brothers" while neither Jews nor Muslims are our "brothers" in Christ.
Okay, you're savoring of heresy at this point. I posted several quotes from Pope Leo XIII teaching that Protestants do not have the Christian faith...I can easily find many more from other popes teaching the same thing. If you reject a single article of the Faith then you reject the faith in its entirety. This is basic catechism 101.

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