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Offline HeidtXtreme

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2025, 08:43:11 PM »
"To be Christian one must be Roman. One must recognize the oneness of Christ's Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ's Vicar on earth" 

~ Pope Pius XII, Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957

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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2025, 08:47:47 PM »
Quote from: IndultCat on November 19, 2025, 08:31:54 PM
As good of a writer Mueller was (his Holy Rosary and Scapulars book is a personal favorite), he erred with his position on Protestants. Pope Leo XIII called Protestants our "separated brethren" and the Pope's position carries infinitely more weight than Mueller's position. 
I cannot find an instance of him using that term..but even if a Pope did that does not mean they are Christian

You cannot be Christian if you reject Christ's Doctrine, and therefore reject Christ
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Offline IndultCat

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2025, 08:55:01 PM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on November 19, 2025, 08:47:47 PM
I cannot find an instance of him using that term..but even if a Pope did that does not mean they are Christian

You cannot be Christian if you reject Christ's Doctrine
Read Pope Leo XIII's 1898 encyclical "Caritatis Studium" addressed to the Protestants of Scotland because he mentions it there. Thus, since a legitimate "Vicar of Christ" calls Protestants "our separated brethren" then they are Christians. A Vicar of Christ's position carries infinitely more weight than Fr. Mueller or The Fatima Center.

BTW, The Fatima Center lies when it says "no Pope has ever consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary" when in fact Pope Pius XII did so in 1952. Like it or not, that's what happened.
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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2025, 09:06:50 PM »
Quote from: IndultCat on November 19, 2025, 08:55:01 PM
Read Pope Leo XIII's 1898 encyclical "Caritatis Studium" addressed to the Protestants of Scotland because he mentions it there. Thus, since a legitimate "Vicar of Christ" calls Protestants "our separated brethren" then they are Christians. A Vicar of Christ's position carries infinitely more weight than Fr. Mueller or The Fatima Center.

Ok, found it. He says "separated brethren". What he doesn't say is "Christian". He says they are deprived of the "fullness of the Christian faith"..so not Christian, because the "Christian faith" must be professed in its entirety.

The word "Christian" is used three times in the entire docuŠ¼ent. Once as previously mentioned, and then two times specifically referring to Catholics


Do Protestants reject Christ?

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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Are Protestants Christians?
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2025, 09:14:13 PM »
Some other relevant quotes from Caritatis Studium:


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We are constantly imploring them to agree at last to restore together with Us the communion of the one and the same faith

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The terrible storm which swept over the Church in the sixteenth century, deprived the vast majority of the Scottish people, as well as many other peoples of Europe, of that Catholic Faith which they had gloriously held for over one thousand years. 

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But since then a great change has come to pass, the ancient faith having been extinguished in the minds of the vast majority of your countrymen. Are we to suppose that it will never be restored?

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The truth of what We have just stated is proven by what has actually taken place since, of all the sects, deprived as they are of the Catholic Faith 

Clearly, Pope Leo XIII did not believe that Protestants have the Christian faith. 
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