Author Topic: Are Novus Ordo Baptisms Valid? (Read 5032 times)

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2017, 04:58:40 PM »

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Only four Sacraments in the Novus Ordo are dubious. Namely, Confirmation, Eucharist, Extreme Unction, and Holy Orders.

Because the essentials have not changed in the sacrament of Baptism, Penance, and Matrimony, there is no reason to doubt their validity.

But if Holy Orders are not valid, then Penance is invalid also among Novus Ordo priests because laymen cannot forgive sins.

Cantarella · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2017, 05:03:47 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Cantarella
Only four Sacraments in the Novus Ordo are dubious. Namely, Confirmation, Eucharist, Extreme Unction, and Holy Orders.

Because the essentials have not changed in the sacrament of Baptism, Penance, and Matrimony, there is no reason to doubt their validity.

But if Holy Orders are not valid, then Penance is invalid also among Novus Ordo priests because laymen cannot forgive sins.

Well... dubious is not necessarily invalid, but I guess the safest route is confessing to a Priest ordained in the Old Rite.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2017, 05:14:21 PM »

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I was baptized by a priest ordained in the old rite.

It is not really relevant, since anyone can validly baptize - it does not have to be a priest. Even an atheist or a pagan can validly baptize if the proper formula is used and he intends to do what the Church does.

Even the Dimonds do not question validity of the Novus Ordo baptism.

Yes, true, but the fact that the priest who baptized me was ordained in the old rite would mean he would have more likely went by the book and not messed around with the form and matter.

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2017, 10:24:29 PM »

Our pastor (sedevacantist) would typically take it case-by-case. If family members were present at the baptism and stated that the baptism was done properly, then our pastor would accept the baptism. If there was any doubt, he would repeat the sacrament.

Though the further we get away from the changes put in place by Vatican II, the more likely so-called Novus ordo clergy may introduce some kind of novelty into the process. So some traditional clergy are apparently repeating the sacrament more often as time goes on. It's kind of similar to what happened with the Old Catholic sect - for the first 50 years or so after they were excommunicated, their sacraments were still considered valid. But then so much time had passed and their training became questionable, so many clergy began not to trust their Sacraments any longer.

Nadir · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2017, 11:55:10 PM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

Quote from: Arvinger
Quote from: Kephapaulos
I was baptized by a priest ordained in the old rite.

It is not really relevant, since anyone can validly baptize - it does not have to be a priest. Even an atheist or a pagan can validly baptize if the proper formula is used and he intends to do what the Church does.

Even the Dimonds do not question validity of the Novus Ordo baptism.

Yes, true, but the fact that the priest who baptized me was ordained in the old rite would mean he would have more likely went by the book and not messed around with the form and matter.

I don't believe it is safe or fair toassume that priests ordained in the new rite do not intend to do what the Church does or change the form and matterr, thus invalidating the sacrament of Baptism.