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Offline Truth is Eternal

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Are Bad-Will Catholics Predestined to go to Hell?
« on: October 03, 2014, 01:52:03 PM »
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    • Is membership in the Catholic Church assurance of salvation?

    Do bad-will Catholics choose hell instead of serving God?

    I do not believe there are or ever will be any bad-will Catholics in heaven.
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    Offline Cantarella

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    Are Bad-Will Catholics Predestined to go to Hell?
    « Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 02:10:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal
    Is membership in the Catholic Church assurance of salvation?

    Do bad-will Catholics choose hell instead of serving God?

    I do not believe there are or ever will be any bad-will Catholics in heaven.


    No, membership in the Catholic Church is not necessarily assurance of salvation.  There are Catholics that do not persevere in the state of sanctifying grace and damn themselves at the end. Actually, even if one strives to be a good Catholic, there is still not such assurance.

    There cannot bad willed Catholics in Heaven, only Catholics in state of grace.

    The fact that one is baptized a Catholic and professes the Catholic religion is proof that God is giving one the special grace necessary for salvation. There is a vast majority of souls out there that have not that privilege. As far as how God chooses the predestinate souls, nobody really knows. Theologians agree that it is NOT because of merit that God chooses His elect and love some souls more than other.

    There are certain souls, the Elect, who will infallibly be saved (they will be given the grace of final perseverance) but it is also true that God does not predestinate any soul to Hell (that is the Calvinist thinking). Among the Elect, are children who die shortly after being baptized, and adults who, by divine grace, not only can observe the commandments, but actually do so and obtain the gift of final perseverance.

    In sum, if someone goes to Heaven is only because of God's grace. If someone goes to Hell is only his own fault.
      

    While God loves all men, He has a special love for the elect and infallibly ensures their salvation. However, God does not command the reprobate to do the impossible. Although the call becomes efficacious for the elect and not for the reprobate because of God’s eternal decree, this does not mean that God gave no grace to the reprobate to enable them to respond.

    Thus, in God’s plan of predestination, the reprobation of some is preordained for the good of the elect, and this for the greater good of the whole.
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    Are Bad-Will Catholics Predestined to go to Hell?
    « Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 06:10:14 PM »
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    • Also when we pray for others, God will give them more grace, although He will not take away their free-will, He can give them extra ordinary graces making it more difficult for them to fall.

    When someone sins because of weakness, God is much more mercyful, but when someone sins because of malice, they might already be damned.  This is what He told Blessed Anna Maria Taigi, who's body was found to be an incorruptable.

    Bad will is opposite to being united to God's will.
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    Are Bad-Will Catholics Predestined to go to Hell?
    « Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 08:43:45 PM »
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    • According to tradition bad will Catholics will go to the deeper part of hell than the pagans,
    and the secularist, whom never knew nor taught the truth, so at their free will rejected
    the truths of the Catholic Church.
    So to remind Traditional Roman Catholics whom received all the graces in accepting
    the Catholic Religion in its whole and entirety, must live their lives if Vatican 2 never
    took place. And all the changes are against the will of the Holy Ghost, but allowed
    them to further test us.
    The tradition Catholic will go to a deeper part of hell than the Novus ordo Catholic
    and many now no fault of their own live a life full of errors as taught to them by the
    Novus Ordro Clergy and textbooks.
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    Are Bad-Will Catholics Predestined to go to Hell?
    « Reply #4 on: October 15, 2014, 07:04:54 AM »
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    • A better observation or root of what you are talking about.

    A bad willed Catholic is one whose attitude will lead to that unforgivable sin, that is the sin against the Holy Spirit. It really depends to what degree someone is bad willed, and it is not a state in which is everlasting, but can be temporary.

    You can see this in your own family members, or friends who were totally repugnant to anything remotely Catholic. Yet, a decade later because of the circuмstances in life (which Divine Providence put in their life, a.k.a. as trials) they change from a bad willed state to a good willed state. Thus it is possible for a bad willed Catholic to be saved, because they can change.

    You might have even been in such a blind state for a long time, and then the scales fall off your eyes. Such is grace, it breathes wherever the spirit wills.

    Pray for the bad willed Catholic, for they in a state of perdition unless they change. It easily leads to heresy, errors, apostasy and many other grievous crimes.
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    Are Bad-Will Catholics Predestined to go to Hell?
    « Reply #5 on: October 15, 2014, 10:44:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal
    Is membership in the Catholic Church assurance of salvation?

    Do bad-will Catholics choose hell instead of serving God?

    I do not believe there are or ever will be any bad-will Catholics in heaven.


    If we pray for them it could save tehm from the fires of Hell.
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