You have to applaud Voris for bringing attention to this one. :applause:

AH!  No talk of "restructuring" and Fr. Wylie could have been murdered like Fr. Walker and lose his hands like Fr. Terra!  Fr. Terra was spit out or knocked out of CA because he was not conforming to the Masonic's New Order.  Why should it surprise Mr. Voris, it doesn't surprise US who are Traditionals.  We know how the enemy feels about us, Hate.

In 1650 -1750 the French Catholics of Nova Scotia, the Acadians went through a similar issue.  the Catholics had their own priest and the people were devout catholics.  The British took over Nova Scotia, but they had to play their strategy.  Brits could not survive the winters and had to rely on the Catholics and so the Catholics were told that they would be allowed  to have their religion and practice it as long as the Brits were fed and housed. But in the back of their minds was planned to exterminate the catholics.  Ships were built in England and the ships came to Nova Scotia.  In the meantime, no catholic was allowed to leave Nova Scotia. When the ships came in, the women and children were herded in the ships while the husbands and fathers were in the fields. The ships sent the people to other New England states and let off.  The ships had blankets with small pox germs. Very little food was on the ships.  Babies died, and others as well.  It was said you could tell the direction the ships were going by the trail of bodies in the ocean.  Whoever made it to land were mostly never accepted.  Slaves were in better hands while the catholics were hated and left to die.

IMO, the indults, under the dioceses, were there and were allowed to have their rites and in time to be exterminated.  The dioceses owns them and the dioceses are Masonic.  Marxist took over even before Vat. II.  How many more indults will be closed and will be owned by the dioceses?

Animosity towards Tradition? Thumbs up for LGBT??

And Voris still won't mention Francis' part in all of this.

Puhleeze.

How many FSSP's have been closed or the priest threatened to conform/progess or else?

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I don't like people going to Holy Innocents because I think they are compromised.

Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder whether keeping the Indult is such a good idea for a couple of reasons. First, the priests who are offering the TLM also offer the NO. A Vatican II priest is going to bring Vatican II theology into his homilies at the TLM.  Secondly, as long as there are indults, Traditional Catholics stay happy and ignorant of the bigger issues.
 

I could not agree with you less.

I attend an indult and the priest there as well as the priest doing TLM at the cathedral definitely do not compromise on anything. The indult that I attend is made up of a community that stood steadfast when a previous bishop declared them schismatic. In the end that community won and the diocese caved.

But one thing I have noticed, SSPX lies on us at fisheaters and feels threatened because we have a chapel with all the bells and whistles and local priest while they lease a funeral home. They lie about our priest and the status and stability of our parish to try and win back families. Your basic sheep stealers.

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Quote from: Matto

I don't like people going to Holy Innocents because I think they are compromised.

Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder whether keeping the Indult is such a good idea for a couple of reasons. First, the priests who are offering the TLM also offer the NO. A Vatican II priest is going to bring Vatican II theology into his homilies at the TLM.  Secondly, as long as there are indults, Traditional Catholics stay happy and ignorant of the bigger issues.

 

I could not agree with you less.

I attend an indult and the priest there as well as the priest doing TLM at the cathedral definitely do not compromise on anything. The indult that I attend is made up of a community that stood steadfast when a previous bishop declared them schismatic. In the end that community won and the diocese caved.

But one thing I have noticed, SSPX lies on us at fisheaters and feels threatened because we have a chapel with all the bells and whistles and local priest while they lease a funeral home. They lie about our priest and the status and stability of our parish to try and win back families. Your basic sheep stealers.

Personally, I feel like a fish out of water at an Indult Mass, but I am not willing to judge others who are happy to be there.  I think we should be aware that other Catholics might be in a different state of awareness.  There are a lot of good Catholics who go to NovusOrdo Newmass all the time.  They say their prayers and they accept that this is the state of the Church today.  I know some who do not judge me for going to an independent TLM, for they remember the Mass being that way everywhere before 1969, but they're not yet at the point where they can let go of their local parish Newmass.  I know others who ARE at that point, and they're tired of the corruption and the bad theology.  

So there are all kinds of people.  I think it's not wise to pass judgment on others and tell them what's the best thing for them.  At least with the Indult Mass you get a Latin Mass, ad orientem, with pre-Vat.II prayers and propers.  

As for the sermons, sure, they might be compromised, but you know that's going on today in the SSPX sermons, where the priest knows if he says something opposed to Vat.II or the Newmass, he'll be transferred tomorrow to the South Pole to evangelize the penguins.  Or worse, he'll be EXPELLED.  Or they'll hold a kangaroo court against him where the judge reads the case out loud and never even LOOKS at the accused, and the accused gets no chance to defend himself, and he's sentenced for punishment.  This happened to Fr. Pinaud (cf. The Recusant #15, pp. 8-27).  

But all SSPX sermons are not necessarily compromised.  Hopefully the sermons of independent priests are not compromised.

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As long as the indults come under the dioceses, they come under restructuring and can be closed at anytime.  Dioceses are maintained by Marxist/Masons.