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Offline Mysterium Fidei

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Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2023, 12:19:59 PM »
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  • Father Hewko is setting one up also.  Then there's Father Pfeiffer's.  :laugh1:

    Father Chazal has one too, and Bishop Zendejas reportedly has something along the lines of a seminary.
    So will this seminary of Apb Vigano be associated with SSPX? Will he receive conditional consecration?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #16 on: December 09, 2023, 01:21:04 PM »
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  • So will this seminary of Apb Vigano be associated with SSPX? Will he receive conditional consecration?

    I don't think we have any clarity.  Who would the professors be?  When he announced it, he characterized it more as a place of "retreat" for seminarians.  I think it was more of an after-thought (with a lot of detailed consideration given to it) after the nuns who were supposed to move into the building backed out.

    There's no way it would be associated with SSPX, as SSPX have their own seminaries and would not have anything like that which is not 100% under their control, not to mention that they've never commented on +Vigano, and probably want to keep their distance lest they incur the ire of Jorge the Humble.


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #17 on: December 09, 2023, 07:30:19 PM »
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  • Maybe the seminarians of Morannes can go to the Collegium in Viterbo.

    Offline Plenus Venter

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #18 on: December 11, 2023, 12:46:19 AM »
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  • But then why did Bishop Paul Morgan say this in reference to Vigano when responding to the objections to his recent Resistance consecration? What is "the impossible"? I originally took it to mean that Vigano had no intention of getting a conditional consecration:

    It is true that Msgr. Vigano, very
    courageous, renounced the error of the Conciliar Church etc.; Msgr
    Vigano has impressed us a great deal, a good bishop, but he is 83
    years old...and we mustn't wait for the impossible.

    By the way, is there a Resistance seminary?  If so, where?
    I agree, 2V, this is curious, I have no idea what Bishop Morgan is alluding to here, I don't see it as a reference to ABV's reconsecration though. From the way he speaks, I have no doubt that AB Vigano would never use his doubtful episcopal powers without letting it be known first that he had been conditionally 'reconsecrated'. But he may never use them...

    As far as Resistance seminaries go, there is the SAJM seminary near the Dominicans in France that Mr G provided the link for, plus Fr Chazal's bamboo seminary in the hills in the Philippines, and Fr Nass has started a seminary with the Benedictines in Brazil.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #19 on: December 11, 2023, 11:21:30 AM »
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  • I agree, 2V, this is curious, I have no idea what Bishop Morgan is alluding to here, I don't see it as a reference to ABV's reconsecration though. From the way he speaks, I have no doubt that AB Vigano would never use his doubtful episcopal powers without letting it be known first that he had been conditionally 'reconsecrated'. But he may never use them...

    As far as Resistance seminaries go, there is the SAJM seminary near the Dominicans in France that Mr G provided the link for, plus Fr Chazal's bamboo seminary in the hills in the Philippines, and Fr Nass has started a seminary with the Benedictines in Brazil.
    Hi PV. When I take the comment in context with the whole Objection Bishop Morgan was responding to regarding conservative bishops, I got the impression that it had something to do with conditional consecration. 

    Sixth Objection: Perhaps have recourse to the conservative bishops
    who love us.
    So the same answers apply to those bishops who love us more,
    because even if those bishops respect tradition, respect the good
    mass, etc. two questions arise about these so-called
    "conservatives", - they remain very attached to the Conciliar
    Church, nor have they renounced the Conciliar errors on a personal
    level. Furthermore, there is the question about their consecration
    too. You have seen the recent study published by the Dominicans of
    Avrille; Father Calderon; showing that there are questions raised
    regarding each sacrament of the modern Church. It doesn't mean
    that everything is invalid, but nevertheless they are
    questionable. So there! It is true that Msgr. Vigano, very
    courageous, renounced the error of the Conciliar Church etc.; Msgr
    Vigano has impressed us a great deal, a good bishop, but he is 83
    years old...and we mustn't wait for the impossible.

    But given Vigano's new organization and recent announcement of his own seminary, perhaps "the impossible" has more to do with him choosing not to become a bishop with the Resistance.

    Perhaps Bishop Williamson can shed some light on the truth of it.


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #20 on: December 11, 2023, 03:33:33 PM »
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  • Yes, you're right 2V, it does seem to relate to the question of reconsecration or a decision to work with the Resistance. But at his age, you would hardly take that into account when deciding whether or not you needed to consecrate another bishop, so I'm not sure why Bishop Morgan would mention it.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #21 on: March 17, 2024, 09:52:04 AM »
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  • Has Abp Vigano been conditionally consecrated by a Resistance bishop?
    In this new seminary he, Vigano, continues to involve Bogus Ordo "priests".

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #22 on: March 17, 2024, 10:20:22 AM »
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  • Has Abp Vigano been conditionally consecrated by a Resistance bishop?
    In this new seminary he, Vigano, continues to involve Bogus Ordo "priests".

    Reliable sources have confirmed that he’s been conditionally consecrated.


    Do you have any proof that he’s involved with NO “priests”?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #23 on: March 17, 2024, 11:57:23 AM »
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  • The providential work of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, beginning with the immediate postconciliar period, had the indisputable merit, on the one hand, of denouncing the estrangement from the immutable lex credendi, and on the other of understanding the threat to which the priesthood was exposed with the introduction of the reformed liturgy and with it the disturbing changes to the rite of conferring Holy Orders.

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    For this reason, I believe the time has come to give a new impetus to Exsurge Domine, the Association I founded a few months ago. I wished to reserve this particular occasion which sees us gathered today in the house of the President of Exsurge Domine to announce that the Monastic Village at the Hermitage of Palanzana in Viterbo, initially intended to help the Benedictine Sisters of Pienza, will become, God willing, a house of formation for clergy which will take the name Collegium Traditionis, since the Sisters have recently decided to dissociate themselves from the project that Exsurge Domine had offered them. The Collegium Traditionis will be the first and only traditional Italian reality destined for a seminary, equipping itself with teachers and spiritual guides of sure orthodoxy and solid spirituality, under my supervision.

    So, he plans on running a new Seminary in Italy and he mentions concerns about "disturbing changes to the rite of conferring Holy Orders".

    Does the latter include his own Episcopal Consecration?  Because, if not, he will be ordaining fake priests ala Hounder.  If it does, then has he been conditionally consecrated? If so, by whom?

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #24 on: March 17, 2024, 11:58:13 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson. This has been confirmed.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #25 on: March 17, 2024, 10:17:35 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson. This has been confirmed.
    Do you mean, mcollier, that it is confirmed that ABV was conditionally consecrated by BW?
    Can you provide evidence of this please?
    I was told by a priest that BW has never met ABV in person.
    This priest suggested his compatriot Bishop Ballini may have done the job...
    More rumour...


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #26 on: March 18, 2024, 06:17:19 AM »
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  • Reliable sources have confirmed that he’s been conditionally consecrated.


    Do you have any proof that he’s involved with NO “priests”?
    It was my understanding that this new seminary was primarily meant for NO priests who were cancelled, etc  by Bergoglio (although it will also probably be available to others who are looking to become a priest who weren't already a NO priest).

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Establishes the Collegium Traditionis
    « Reply #27 on: March 18, 2024, 06:19:32 AM »
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  • Do you mean, mcollier, that it is confirmed that ABV was conditionally consecrated by BW?
    Can you provide evidence of this please?
    I was told by a priest that BW has never met ABV in person.
    This priest suggested his compatriot Bishop Ballini may have done the job...
    More rumour...
    Interesting.  Yes, more rumour.....

    Somewhere along the line I remember questioning whether it was Bishop Williamson and not some other bishop.