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Offline Simeon

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Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2024, 01:42:53 PM »
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  • "The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has informed me, with a simple email, of the initiation of an extrajudicial penal trial against me, with the accusation of having committed the crime of schism and charging me of having denied the legitimacy of “Pope Francis” of having broken communion “with Him” and of having rejected the Second Vatican Council. I have been summoned to the Palace of the Holy Office on June 20, in person or represented by a canon lawyer. I assume that the sentence has already been prepared, given that it is an extrajudicial process."


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    This is the God-given opportunity for Vigano to "show his quality," to earn the title of "Great." 

    If only Vigano would publicly refuse to submit on the grounds that Bergoglio is not the Pope and the novus ordo is not the Catholic Church. That would start a long-in-coming avalanche!

    If he submits, and plays along, it's a bad sign. A really bad sign. For this one action will speak far louder than any of his multifarious words. It will prove him for once and for all. 



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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #16 on: June 20, 2024, 01:45:16 PM »
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  • I'd simply respond:

    "Guilty" as charged ... with denying the legitimacy of Bergoglio, breaking "communion" with him, and rejecting Vatican II.  No need for any kind of process.
    And then he will be "excommunicated" from the fake Church.
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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #17 on: June 20, 2024, 01:50:41 PM »
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    VIGANO: The resignation of Benedict XVI and the appointment by the St. Gallen Mafia of a successor in line with the diktats of the Agenda 2030 was intended to allow – and has succeeded in allowing – the global coup to take place with the complicity and authoritative support of the Church of Rome.


    That statement is worse than problematic. It shows that Vigano thinks the novus ordo is the Church.


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    VIGANO: No Catholic worthy of the name can be in communion with this “Bergoglian church,” because it acts in clear discontinuity and rupture with all the Popes of history and with the Church of Christ.


    Another problem statement. We are not dealing with a "Bergoglian church," as if the Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger "churches" were the Roman Catholic Church. It's all one big giant satanic whore.

    Does Vigano include the Vatican II antipopes in his list of the "Popes of history?"

    Vigano's words are slippery and slimy. Bad deal!

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #18 on: June 20, 2024, 01:58:59 PM »
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  • No Catholic worthy of the name can be in communion with this “Bergoglian church,” because it acts in clear discontinuity and rupture with all the Popes of history and with the Church of Christ.

    Another problem statement. We are not dealing with a "Bergoglian church," as if the Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger "churches" were the Roman Catholic Church. It's all one big giant satanic whore.

    Does Vigano include the Vatican II antipopes in his list of the "Popes of history?"

    Vigano's words are slippery and slimy. Bad deal!
    But then he also says this:

    Everything that Bergoglio does constitutes an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, to her Saints of all times, to the Martyrs who were killed in odium Fidei, and to the Popes of all times until the Second Vatican Council. 

    ?

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #19 on: June 20, 2024, 02:18:51 PM »
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  • Vigano's Episcopal re-consecration was with Bishop Williamson so he will always remain valid.
    How do we know this?


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #20 on: June 20, 2024, 02:32:12 PM »
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  • This seems to the summer of major events. The SSPX announcing the neccessity to consecrate bishops, Rome planning to ban the True Mass and now Archbishop Vigano accused of schism.
    Is there an English version?

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #22 on: June 20, 2024, 02:50:39 PM »
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  • May God bless you and keep you


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #23 on: June 20, 2024, 02:51:18 PM »
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  • Double devil horns and red shoes.  Was he a free mason?
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #24 on: June 20, 2024, 05:49:20 PM »
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  • How do we know this?
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    I was told by another Bishop

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #25 on: June 20, 2024, 05:51:02 PM »
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  • The schismatic is Bergolio and his fellow Mother Nature loving fellow Luciferians. 

    Archbishop doesn’t need to dialogue with the devil. 
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #26 on: June 20, 2024, 05:53:45 PM »
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  • How do we know this?
    I heard through very reliable clerical channels. Matthew has also confirmed it here on Cathinfo

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #27 on: June 20, 2024, 06:03:13 PM »
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  • But then he also says this:

    Everything that Bergoglio does constitutes an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, to her Saints of all times, to the Martyrs who were killed in odium Fidei, and to the Popes of all times until the Second Vatican Council.

    ?

    He creates quite a large taxonomic vacuum here. He identifies (Category 1) the true Roman Catholic hierarchy that existed before Vatican II, and (Category 2) the "enemy" Bergoglio, whose crimes offend the Church. Between "until Vatican II" and "Bergoglio," there were five intervening impostors and 60+ years of all-out apostasy, under the direct leadership and control of these same impostors. 

    By the clear meaning of his terms, Vigano excludes the novus ordo pontiffs from his Categories 1 and 2. Omission is exclusion in this context. 

    So how should they be classified? Or do we simply make believe that Bergoglio and Vatican II are the bad guys - Vatican II in a nebulous way, and Bergoglio in a particular and unique way - while all that exists between them on the timeline is untouchable? 

    This is very slippery talk. It has a great potency for deception and falsity. 

    I think Vigano would do well to say many fewer words than is his wont, and rather to say with precision and clarity one short sentence: The novus ordo is not the Catholic Church; it's popes and bishops - from Roncalli to Bergoglio - are not the Roman Catholic hierarchy; and all Catholics must reject and renounce the false church - or else go to hell. 

    I can no longer tolerate anyone who says anything less than this. It's too obvious now, too, too out in the open for benefits of doubts. Now is the separation of the wheat and the chaff. Cough up the truth, or go work at McDonalds. 

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #28 on: June 20, 2024, 06:06:23 PM »
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  • There was a trad Cat bishop who had a side hustle of selling insurance.   I think he recently died.  There was a Baptist pastor who drove tractor trailer during the week. 

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #29 on: June 20, 2024, 06:26:34 PM »
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    Everything that Bergoglio does constitutes an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, to her Saints of all times, to the Martyrs who were killed in odium Fidei, and to the Popes of all times until the Second Vatican Council.
    :confused::confused::confused:  What is said here, is clear...Bergoglio is an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, from the time of 33AD til V2.


    How can this be interpreted any other way?  +Vigano is making a clear distinction between pre-V2 Rome and post-V2 new-rome.