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Offline josefamenendez

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Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2024, 08:27:50 AM »
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  • The reason "why" is irrelevant.  What matters is the "what" of the charges.
    I think "Why" is really important as none of this would go down at this time without context -

    Offline Soubirous

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #46 on: June 21, 2024, 08:56:18 AM »
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  • I think "Why" is really important as none of this would go down at this time without context -

    Yes, but the double-bind with Bergoglio is whether he punishes acts of schism against the Vicar of Christ vs. "schism" perceived as against his own self.

    He's shown that he seems to have no compunction whatsoever when he attacks the papacy. Look at that recent study docuмent reassessing Vatican I, also his playing around with every pagan shaman and wicked worldling that shows up to flatter him.

    It's when someone dares to speak against his publicly visible sins against the Faith and his secular crimes that he strikes back. Not because he's defending The Church but because he behaves as a warlord of this world. He uses Canon Law selectively when it suits him.

    There's a meme going around social media about St. Thomas More who, when summoned to trial, deferred to H8's temporal authority but refused to concede H8's seizure of ecclesial authority. The parallel's not perfect, but it is illustrative.
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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #47 on: June 21, 2024, 09:23:52 AM »
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  • It's when someone dares to speak against his publicly visible sins against the Faith and his secular crimes that he strikes back. Not because he's defending The Church but because he behaves as a warlord of this world. He uses Canon Law selectively when it suits him.

     Do you think publicly accusing the Pope of acts of sodomy had nothing to do with the charges?
     That's what I was saying. We all know Frankie doesn't give a poop about the Church.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #48 on: June 21, 2024, 11:57:54 AM »
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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #49 on: June 21, 2024, 01:38:44 PM »
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  • Archbishop Vigano, we are praying for you. 
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #50 on: June 21, 2024, 02:07:44 PM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/live/KIxIJyyp2vg?si=veOMYm6tUp2CRQze


    Taylor Marshall is spinning that Vigano's charges are because of the McCarrick report by the Archbishop.

    It seems everyone has forgotten to mention what Archbishop Vigano said last week about Bergoglio.....

    "I replied to him: « Holy Father, I don’t know if you know Cardinal McCarrick, but if you ask the Congregation for Bishops, there is a dossier this big. He corrupted generations of seminarians...»
    Bergoglio remained impassive and completely changed the subject.


    His reaction is not surprising. Bergoglio himself committed the same abuses when he was Master of Novices of the Society of Jesus in Argentina, as personally confided to me by one of his former novices."

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    This^
    Must be the reason they brought these charges against him now.
    They can't let this narrative continue and had to shut it down.
    I don't think it had anything to do with McCarrick. We've been hearing about all of this filth since Boston and Cardinal Law and no aggressive action was taken against any whistleblowers

    Except he made that accusation on May 29th and according to the "Decree" they started the excommunication/trial process on May 10th.  

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #51 on: June 21, 2024, 03:52:12 PM »
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  • Except he made that accusation on May 29th and according to the "Decree" they started the excommunication/trial process on May 10th. 
    Ohhhh......  didn't see the dates. Thanks

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #52 on: June 21, 2024, 04:37:03 PM »
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  • Taylor Marshall is spinning that Vigano's charges are because of the McCarrick report by the Archbishop.

    Good.  This will ensure that the media coverage will dredge up the old history of Bergoglio / McCarrick, leading to the implication in those who are not theologically astute (i.e. 99.9% of the general public) that this entails Bergoglio engaging in retribution for the McCarrick situation.  I mentioned that this would be the smart play.  This will make Bergoglio look even more complicit in the coverup of McCarrick's predations and will bring those back into the news.  Most people don't understand the finer points of Catholic theology (schism, SVism, Traditionalism, etc.), so they'll view this situation from a political perspective.  I know that a lot of Prots online can't stand Jorge due to the wokism he promotes, and they'll view it as the Leftist/Commie pope taking it out on someone on the Right.


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #53 on: June 21, 2024, 07:27:57 PM »
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  • Do you think publicly accusing the Pope of acts of sodomy had nothing to do with the charges?
     That's what I was saying. We all know Frankie doesn't give a poop about the Church.

    Of course, I totally agree that this is personal payback against Vigano.

    My point was that Bergoglio's not a blunt lug, he's a shapeshifter. He'll play it from every angle he can then when someone calls it out, he'll spin another web. If he really wanted to prosecute "schism" (/s) there's a long list being ignored right now from Germany to India and elsewhere.

    The what and the why both do matter to observers and to Vigano and his canon lawyers. Yet note that this will be an extrajudicial trial, so the Vatican henchmen are playing it as an open-and-shut case. That's what Vigano meant when he said the verdict was already decided against him in advance.
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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #54 on: June 21, 2024, 07:57:05 PM »
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  • This is the first I have heard this charge. Is the sodomite heretic enabler also an alcoholic?

    He worked as a nightclub bouncer in Buenos Aires way back when.
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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #55 on: June 22, 2024, 04:57:22 AM »
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  • Ohhhh......  didn't see the dates. Thanks
    You're welcome.  That is, of course, if the dates given by the Decree are in fact true/accurate (i.e.. that the process really did start as early as 5/10).  


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #56 on: June 22, 2024, 05:38:51 AM »
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  • You're welcome.  That is, of course, if the dates given by the Decree are in fact true/accurate (i.e.. that the process really did start as early as 5/10). 

    I do find the timing curious.  +Vigano called Jorge the "servant of the devil" and has been questioning his legitimacy for nearly a year, has rejected Vatican II for about 4 years now, yet now that he revealed allegations that Bergoglio sodomized some novices suddenly he's being charged with schism.

    Marshall got it right that the Vatican KNOW that the understanding that most of the general public will come away with here is that this is retribution from Bergoglio for +Vigano's having blown the whislte on the McCarrick situation ... which is precisely why I have been saying they've avoided publicly condeming or punishing +Vigano before now.  But something has changed, so I suspect that the timing might have been fudged a little.  They may have had this "extrajudicial process" sitting there for months just waiting to be executed when it became necessary.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #57 on: June 22, 2024, 08:55:52 AM »
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  • "I therefore wish to make it clear that I did not go to the Vatican yesterday [June 20], and that I have no intention of going to the Holy Office on June 28, and that I have not delivered any statement or docuмent in my defense to the Dicastery, whose authority I do not recognize, nor do I recognize the authority of its Prefect, nor do I recognize the authority of the one who appointed him."
    (emphasis mine)

    https://exsurgedomine.it/240621-announcement/

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #58 on: June 22, 2024, 09:05:18 AM »
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  • "This anonymous “canon lawyer” considers my statement as a proof of my schismatic will: but the whole question concerns which is the “church” to which Bergoglio belongs and the de facto schism from the true Church that he has already accomplished over and over again with his declarations, with his acts of government, and with his most eloquent behavior of open hostility to all that is Catholic. Bergoglio’s “church” is not the Catholic Church, but rather that “conciliar church” born from Vatican Council II and recently rebranded with the no less heretical name of “synodal church.” If it is from this “church” that I am declared to be separated by schism, it will be for me a cause for honor and pride."


    https://exsurgedomine.it/240621-announcement/

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #59 on: June 22, 2024, 09:57:50 AM »
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  • "Bergoglio’s “church” is not the Catholic Church, but rather that “conciliar church” born from Vatican Council II and recently rebranded with the no less heretical name of “synodal church.” If it is from this “church” that I am declared to be separated by schism, it will be for me a cause for honor and pride."

    https://exsurgedomine.it/240621-announcement/

    Excellent.