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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2024, 04:28:17 AM »
Garbage, as per my previous post.  He simply hasn't made up his mind about Roncalli - Ratzinger.  This has absolutely nothing to do with his attempting to be slippery.  We've had a huge crowd of R&R Trads, including SSPX, that have upheld the legitimacy of all these Antipopes, so to think that a +Vigano would go from being a high-ranking Novus Ordite to post-Pius XII SV in months is quite a stretch, especially when you denounce him for not having done so.  Within a short time, he's come father than the SSPX did and farther than the Resistance have.

I agree. After this last statement, he seems like the real deal to me. When he rejects Montini through Ratzinger, I’ll be completely on the Vigano train. It wouldn’t shock me if he already has rejected them, but is being careful not to alienate the R&R crowd at this time.

Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2024, 04:37:49 AM »
Garbage, as per my previous post.  He simply hasn't made up his mind about Roncalli - Ratzinger.  This has absolutely nothing to do with his attempting to be slippery.  We've had a huge crowd of R&R Trads, including SSPX, that have upheld the legitimacy of all these Antipopes, so to think that a +Vigano would go from being a high-ranking Novus Ordite to post-Pius XII SV in months is quite a stretch, especially when you denounce him for not having done so.  Within a short time, he's come father than the SSPX did and farther than the Resistance have.

I know that this is a hot-button topic, and that people on this board are not unanimous. I know there's no easier way to get flamed by "the management" than to criticize Vigano. 

I don't come here to contend with my fellow Catholics. I come to chat with them. Therefore I will say one more thing, and then let it rest. You may have the last words, as in "nonsense" and "garbage." 

Not only Vigano, but every single Catholic upon the earth, has a grave moral obligation, under pain of sin, to reject Vatican II - it's false religion and its false hierarchy. You, Lad, would be the first to assert this, or else you would contradict practically every one of your thousands of posts, and you'd be a colossal gaslighter. No one, I say no one, is exempted from this grave obligation. 

Things are coming to a head with Vigano. He's had sixty plus years (and a bird's eye view) to weigh the evidence, and several years to weigh it in public. Furthermore he purports to be a hierarch himself, which means he is presumed to have deep theological knowledge. And yet you tell me he has not yet made up his mind. I tell you he's out of time. He's in the public eye, and he has been commanded by a false authority to give testimony of himself. It's now or never. He must stand unequivocally for the whole and integral truth, or be discounted. Period. 


Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2024, 05:50:15 AM »
I know that this is a hot-button topic, and that people on this board are not unanimous. I know there's no easier way to get flamed by "the management" than to criticize Vigano.

I don't come here to contend with my fellow Catholics. I come to chat with them. Therefore I will say one more thing, and then let it rest. You may have the last words, as in "nonsense" and "garbage."

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Things are coming to a head with Vigano. He's had sixty plus years (and a bird's eye view) to weigh the evidence, and several years to weigh it in public. Furthermore he purports to be a hierarch himself, which means he is presumed to have deep theological knowledge. And yet you tell me he has not yet made up his mind. I tell you he's out of time. He's in the public eye, and he has been commanded by a false authority to give testimony of himself. It's now or never. He must stand unequivocally for the whole and integral truth, or be discounted. Period.
True indeed, especially the bolded. This is why I detest when people like yourself feel they need to keep their mouths shut on this topic because they don't take the party line.

Having said that, generally speaking, I am impressed with his latest statement and perhaps the "excommunication" will move him to be explicit in his beliefs against Bergoglio and all of the Vatican II "popes".  As in literally stating that the See is vacant and has been since 1958.  So far, that has not happened.  Like you said, a lot of words are not necessary to communicate this.  In addition, I'm still waiting for him to publicly confirm his re-consecration.

I agree that now is the time to let it all out so-to-speak. Bergoglio has given him his greatest opportunity.


Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2024, 06:06:10 AM »

Having said that, generally speaking, I am impressed with his latest statement and perhaps the "excommunication" will move him to be explicit in his beliefs against Bergoglio and all of the Vatican II "popes".  As in literally stating that the See is vacant and has been since 1958.  So far, that has not happened.  Like you said, a lot of words are not necessary to communicate this.  In addition, I'm still waiting for him to publicly confirm his re-consecration.

I agree that now is the time to let it all out so-to-speak. Bergoglio has given him his greatest opportunity.


Yes Vermont, good post. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2024, 06:45:24 AM »
+Vigano has never "held back" for political reasons and doesn't need this as a reason to say "what he really thinks".  It wasn't all that long ago that he called Bergoglio a "servant of Satan".

If he hasn't declared all the popes after Pius XII illegitimate, it's only because he hasn't made up his mind about them yet or else come up with an explanation for it.  These accusations of his being "slippery" are out of line.  He says what he believes and is not deterred by human respect, but he simply hasn't fully made up his mind yet about Roncalli - Ratzinger.  He has denounced them and their "teaching", etc. ... but hasn't come to a final conclusion yet regarding their legitimacy.

For a long time he was dropping hints that that he was questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy, but then took him a while to come up with the vitium consensus explanation.

+Vigano doesn't like to "shoot from the hip" and just "spout off".  He carefully thinks through everything before making a public statement, and he just hasn't finished thinking through the problem of Roncalli - Ratzinger.