Author Topic: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism (Read 8037 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #30 on:** June 20, 2024, 06:27:04 PM »

Quote from: Simeon on June 20, 2024, 01:50:41 PM

That statement is worse than problematic. It shows that Vigano thinks the novus ordo is the Church.

Another problem statement. We are not dealing with a "Bergoglian church," as if the Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger "churches" were the Roman Catholic Church. It's all one big giant satanic whore.

Does Vigano include the Vatican II antipopes in his list of the "Popes of history?"

Vigano's words are slippery and slimy. Bad deal!

False. He's regularly denounced the entire Vatican II establishment from Roncalli on down. He simply hasn't committed to the notion that the Holy See has been vacant since the death of Pius XII ... though he's hinted that it's possible. You evidently haven't followed his writing very closely. He's referring specifically to the Bergoglian Church because that's what he's currently being threatened with excommunication from.

To call him "slippery and slimy" is slanderous. You need to retract that absurd statement. Someone not having made up his mind yet about the legitimacy of Roncalli et al. is not to be "slippery and slimy." Your statements are shameful.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #31 on:** June 20, 2024, 06:31:22 PM »

Quote from: Simeon on June 20, 2024, 06:03:13 PM

He creates quite a large taxonomic vacuum here. He identifies (Category 1) the true Roman Catholic hierarchy that existed before Vatican II, and (Category 2) the "enemy" Bergoglio, whose crimes offend the Church. Between "until Vatican II" and "Bergoglio," there were five intervening impostors and 60+ years of all-out apostasy, under the direct leadership and control of these same impostors.

By the clear meaning of his terms, Vigano excludes the novus ordo pontiffs from his Categories 1 and 2. Omission is exclusion in this context.

So how should they be classified? Or do we simply make believe that Bergoglio and Vatican II are the bad guys - Vatican II in a nebulous way, and Bergoglio in a particular and unique way - while all that exists between them on the timeline is untouchable?

This is very slippery talk. It has a great potency for deception and falsity.

Garbage, as per my previous post. He simply hasn't made up his mind about Roncalli - Ratzinger. This has absolutely nothing to do with his attempting to be slippery. We've had a huge crowd of R&R Trads, including SSPX, that have upheld the legitimacy of all these Antipopes, so to think that a +Vigano would go from being a high-ranking Novus Ordite to post-Pius XII SV in months is quite a stretch, especially when you denounce him for not having done so. Within a short time, he's come father than the SSPX did and farther than the Resistance have.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #32 on:** June 20, 2024, 06:54:07 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 20, 2024, 06:06:23 PM

There was a trad Cat bishop who had a side hustle of selling insurance. I think he recently died. There was a Baptist pastor who drove tractor trailer during the week.

Many Protestant ministers work secular jobs and preach on Sundays (and other days of the week, many such congregations have midweek and other services). Smaller and poorer congregations couldn't possibly donate enough to support a full-time minister who does nothing else.

josefamenendez · « **Reply #33 on:** June 20, 2024, 06:56:36 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/live/KIxIJyyp2vg?si=veOMYm6tUp2CRQze

Taylor Marshall is spinning that Vigano's charges are because of the McCarrick report by the Archbishop.

It seems everyone has forgotten to mention what Archbishop Vigano said last week about Bergoglio.....

"I replied to him: « Holy Father, I don’t know if you know Cardinal McCarrick, but if you ask the Congregation for Bishops, there is a dossier this big. He corrupted generations of seminarians...»
Bergoglio remained impassive and completely changed the subject.

His reaction is not surprising. Bergoglio himself committed the same abuses when he was Master of Novices of the Society of Jesus in Argentina, as personally confided to me by one of his former novices."
^^^^^^^^^^

This^
Must be the reason they brought these charges against him now.
They can't let this narrative continue and had to shut it down.
I don't think it had anything to do with McCarrick. We've been hearing about all of this filth since Boston and Cardinal Law and no aggressive action was taken against any whistleblowers

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #34 on:** June 20, 2024, 07:03:24 PM »

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Garbage, as per my previous post. He simply hasn't made up his mind about Roncalli - Ratzinger. This has absolutely nothing to do with his attempting to be slippery. We've had a huge crowd of R&R Trads, including SSPX, that have upheld the legitimacy of all these Antipopes, so to think that a +Vigano would go from being a high-ranking Novus Ordite to post-Pius XII SV in months is quite a stretch, especially when you denounce him for not having done so. Within a short time, he's come father than the SSPX did and farther than the Resistance have.

Agree 100%, Ladislaus.

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