Source:

http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=639


June 1982



A Warning To Traditional Catholics Concerning False Shepherds


During his recent visit to America, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre referred several times to the report that several individuals including some claiming to be "traditional" priests had attempted to have themselves consecrated bishops. Archbishop Lefebvre totally condemned their actions and warned all Catholics to have nothing to do with them. 'They will bring ruination and scandal on the Church," Archbishop Lefebvre replied when asked his opinion of the scandal-ridden "consecrations."

"It is a direct result of what happens when one loses faith in God and separates himself with Rome and the Holy Father," Archbishop Lefebvre stated, "and the enemies of the Church, including those who so strongly promote Modernism, will try to associate us and other good traditional Catholics with these (fanatics) in hopes of trying to bring discredit upon the good as well as the evil."

Archbishop Lefebvre also stated that the actions of Ngo-Dinh-Thuc, the former Vietnamese Bishop who participated in the so-called "consecrations," are quite questionable in view of the fact that he is the same individual responsible for the Palmar de Troya fiasco which took place in Spain some years ago. A "visionary" of sorts, Clemente Dominguez de Gomez induced Thuc to ordain and consecrate him and then proceeded to proclaim himself Pope. This group scandalized the world by conferring orders indiscriminately on anyone who presented themselves to "Pope" Gomez. The sect now claims hundreds of clerics, including large numbers of 14 and 16-year-old bishops and cardinals.

Soon after the questionable ordinations, Bishop Ngo-Dinh-Thuc renounced his actions and published a letter saying that the "orders" he had conferred were null and void because he had withheld all intention of conveying orders to the Palmar de Troya sect. Given his past performances, there is no reason to believe that his present fiasco is any more credible.

Referring to Ngo-Dinh-Thuc, Archbishop Lefebvre said, "He seems to have lost all reason."

The proof of these individuals' bad intention is clearly evident in the fact that the new sect which includes Father Moise Carmona and Father Adolfo Zamora of Mexico; Father Guerard des Lauriers, O.P., of France; and Father George Musey of America; have already conducted meetings with small groups of traditional Catholic priests and have announced their intention of calling their own "Council" and selecting one or more popes!

Faithful Catholics are reminded that their faith prevents them from having any contact whatever with these schismatics and heretics, and that they are not permitted to support them in any way. All involved have incurred automatic excommunication, and all who support or affiliate themselves with them do likewise.

Check out Cekada and Fr. Jenkins.

Cekada is a horrible speaker and all over the place...I love it when Jenkins puts him in his place when speaking about Archbishop (valid) L.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sedevideos&aq=f

You DO know there are episcopal consecration certificates for Bishop Carmona and Photos of him with Abp. Thuc at the rite of episcopal consecration right?

Fr. Bruno Schaeffer, FSSPX, was ordained by Abp. Thuc. Here's some words from HMiS:


"Another famous example is Father Bruno Schaeffer who was a Brother of Le Barroux Monastery in 1976 and studied there and at Ecône until 1979 when he was expelled for his said that John Paul II and Paul VI had never been legitimate Roman popes at all. He continued his studies at the SSPX Seminary of Ecône, but Archbishop Lefebvre expelled him after he become too vocal pro-séde in 1980. He was ordained a priest in the traditional Roman pontifical's rite by Archbishop Thuc in the latter's house chapel in 1982, one year after the famous séde Thuc consecrations of bishops. Fr. Schaeffer however in 1990 returned to Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X, is now a priory priest somewhere in western France and famous for his succesful apostolate among the youth. (He was never conditionally ordained at all, as Abp. Thuc was sane and validly ordained him using all rites and blessings correctly.) Schaeffer is no professing sédévacantist priest now anymore and he is becoming famous in the French press for his good reputation among the youth and (sadly?) because of his support of the nationalist Catholic faction in Jean-Marie Lepen's Front National, which I find less positive, but still I will not judge him. He is a good shepherd to the needy Roman Catholic youth in modernist and apostatized France, the Eldest Daughter. And a Thuc priest of course!"

From what I've read from HMiS and just searching the net, Fr. Schaeffer was not conditionally ordained when he came back to the Society.

Here is a picture of Fr. Schaeffer's ordination (pictured with Abp. Thuc):

http://www.catholicapedia.net/Docuмents/Einsicht/docuмents/FR/1982-05_EINSICHT_Jahrgang-12_Heft-01_Mai-1982_FR_Page9.pdf


I used to know where Fr. Schaeffer was in France, in case people wished to ask him about his ordination by Abp. Thuc, which is what I wished to do.

 Iuvenalis,

  As for Bishop Thuc being mentally ill,  someone just saying it does not make it so, even if they are a holy priest or bishop.  Especially if they had no current/recent contact with him.

  I recommend anyone who doubts his ability to ordain/consecrate validly, that you look at the thucbishops.com website already mentioned for one.  It recently has a new posting on the talk given by Mario Derkson on this subject in Spokane.  There is an easy to follow chart at the site as well if you want the basics to go through.

   From what he has written and said, Bp Kelly doubts the Thuc consecrations.  Unless someone can show differently, Bp Kelly never met the man.  While we do not have to meet someone to necessarily know whether they are sane or not(other people can tell us about others), there are people who knew Bp Thuc that are still very much amongst us.
  One of these people is Fr Francis Miller, OFM of Christ the King Chapel in Lafayette, LA (337)-261-1225.  Fr had the privilege of living with His Excellency for about of year after the 81' consecrations when the bishop was staying at the Monastery in Rochester, NY.  He served his Mass, brought him to doctor appointments, and interacted heavily with him.  If you want to get the other side from someone who actually knew him, not just about him, do yourself a favor and give him a buzz.
  It could help you or your loved ones.  Fr is easy to talk to and I believe someone who is objective and truly searching for the truth can stand to learn from what he has to present.  If you don't accept them right now because of doubts, fine, but it could be that you have not had the information presented to you in a reliable, cogent manner.  It is the intellect here that should rule.  Not the heart, nor just "feeling."
   I just thought I would add this.  Do look into it.  Please pray for me and I will pray for you.

  Joe

One thing though, Thuc *did* consecrate Clemente Domingues y Gomez, the "Palmarian Pope" who had sex with his own 'priests' and 'nuns'

This does beg a little bit about Thuc's judgment at least, if not his sanity.

Of course one can say as much or more about the VII Church

I don't see where you are even going with this. Even if it were true, your VII church does this every day! RomanPornography, you are a moron.

Quote from: Iuvenalis

One thing though, Thuc *did* consecrate Clemente Domingues y Gomez, the "Palmarian Pope" who had sex with his own 'priests' and 'nuns'

This does beg a little bit about Thuc's judgment at least, if not his sanity.

Of course one can say as much or more about the VII Church

You bring up a great point! Thuc had gone mad! And to consecrate an open ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ - wow!

  Rumbles (the ? line) of the Thuc followers.  

Yeah, no other Catholic bishop has ever done that.