Author Topic: Archbishop Thuc - Consecrations (Read 34474 times)

romantheology · « **on:** November 01, 2011, 12:16:33 AM »

Source:

http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=639

June 1982

A Warning To Traditional Catholics Concerning False Shepherds

During his recent visit to America, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre referred several times to the report that several individuals including some claiming to be "traditional" priests had attempted to have themselves consecrated bishops. Archbishop Lefebvre totally condemned their actions and warned all Catholics to have nothing to do with them. 'They will bring ruination and scandal on the Church," Archbishop Lefebvre replied when asked his opinion of the scandal-ridden "consecrations."

"It is a direct result of what happens when one loses faith in God and separates himself with Rome and the Holy Father," Archbishop Lefebvre stated, "and the enemies of the Church, including those who so strongly promote Modernism, will try to associate us and other good traditional Catholics with these (fanatics) in hopes of trying to bring discredit upon the good as well as the evil."

Archbishop Lefebvre also stated that the actions of Ngo-Dinh-Thuc, the former Vietnamese Bishop who participated in the so-called "consecrations," are quite questionable in view of the fact that he is the same individual responsible for the Palmar de Troya fiasco which took place in Spain some years ago. A "visionary" of sorts, Clemente Dominguez de Gomez induced Thuc to ordain and consecrate him and then proceeded to proclaim himself Pope. This group scandalized the world by conferring orders indiscriminately on anyone who presented themselves to "Pope" Gomez. The sect now claims hundreds of clerics, including large numbers of 14 and 16-year-old bishops and cardinals.

Soon after the questionable ordinations, Bishop Ngo-Dinh-Thuc renounced his actions and published a letter saying that the "orders" he had conferred were null and void because he had withheld all intention of conveying orders to the Palmar de Troya sect. Given his past performances, there is no reason to believe that his present fiasco is any more credible.

Referring to Ngo-Dinh-Thuc, Archbishop Lefebvre said, "He seems to have lost all reason."

The proof of these individuals' bad intention is clearly evident in the fact that the new sect which includes Father Moise Carmona and Father Adolfo Zamora of Mexico; Father Guerard des Lauriers, O.P., of France; and Father George Musey of America; have already conducted meetings with small groups of traditional Catholic priests and have announced their intention of calling their own "Council" and selecting one or more popes!

Faithful Catholics are reminded that their faith prevents them from having any contact whatever with these schismatics and heretics, and that they are not permitted to support them in any way. All involved have incurred automatic excommunication, and all who support or affiliate themselves with them do likewise.

Gregory I · « **Reply #1 on:** November 01, 2011, 12:38:21 AM »

If you want UNDERSTANDING and you want to see the OTHER side of the argument, read this letter:

http://www.thucbishops.com/

romantheology · « **Reply #2 on:** November 01, 2011, 12:50:46 AM »

Check out Cekada and Fr. Jenkins.

Cekada is a horrible speaker and all over the place...I love it when Jenkins puts him in his place when speaking about Archbishop (valid) L.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sedevideos&aq=f

Gregory I · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2011, 01:01:39 AM »

Actually, in that debate Fr. C covers the issue really well. Fr. J doesn't address the issues he keeps raising directly it seems. Fr. J feels evasive to me.

BOTH SGG and SSPV are wielding more authority in different areas) than they actually have.

Gregory I · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2011, 01:03:07 AM »

You DO know there are episcopal consecration certificates for Bishop Carmona and Photos of him with Abp. Thuc at the rite of episcopal consecration right?