This is what +Lefebvre was speaking about at Avrillé...attacking Religious Liberty...so, who knows?
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Arch M. Lefebvre, Avrille Oct. 1989 Part B, 1 of 2« on: July 23, 2024, 01:14:53 PM »
"...Truth must be told: Liberalism prevailed...because the Pope placed his authority on the side of the Liberals. What an undertaking! For the Council is exactly this: because it is the essential objective of the Council. All the other schema are NOTHING compared to this!! Just observe: of course, regarding, schema treating of the priesthood, the priests; these have no importance. The fundamental objective was Religious Liberty, and Ecuмenism, that's it. Further on they will succeed in promoting this Liberal ideology.
The Council itself was to be split: (...) Religious Liberty, one part opposing, quite forcefully, this schema. Finally it took five attempts, five tries, submitting another schema, new schema; they kept altering some sentences, changing some expressions, but they never changed the foundation...never never, never, they absolutely refused. Msgr. de Smet acted in the Secretariat for Promoting Christian Unity as the rapporteur of the Religious Liberty during the Council. It is clear as day, supported by Cardinal Bea of course...he had conference, conference, conference with all the cardinals, conferences with the bishops, conferences in the notable houses of Rome, to convince the bishops that they must absolutely absolutely vote for Religious Liberty...for quite some time.
Cardinal Bea during two years, 1960 - 62, traveled the world over, the entire world...he went everywhere everywhere everywhere, making conferences, promoting Religious Liberty. He had many contacts with B'nai B'riith of New York!. It's official! You can check the newspapers, not hidden; with the Ecuмenical (World) Council of Churches with Msgr Hildebrandt(?) ,with Russian Orthodox Communist, also with Cardinal Hildebrandt... official contacts with all these people! to ask them: 'What do you desire from the Council?' The B'nai Briith, j*os, Freemasons, very numerous, powerful, at least 200,000, in lodges uniquely jo*owish, truly. So the response from all these people was: 'Give us Religious Liberty'; that means the Church ceases to be Herself the only good religion...'that's all we ask! If you grant us this, there will no more be problems with the Catholic Church.'
And we see the Catholic Church would be in accord. If the Catholic Church is no longer the one true religion, relinquishing her right to claim She is the true religion ...it is the death of the Church. If the Church was strong, courageous, missionary, enterprising, and holy by her Founder, by God Himself, by Our Lord...the strength of the Church...If Religious Liberty places the Catholic Church on the same level as the false religions, it's finished, it's finished.
[TIME 30:20]
...Very evident. very evident...even dishonest...those whose comportment insulted Cardinal Ottaviani, especially during the Council...shameful comportment...the way he was treated at the Council. A veritable plot, a plot which was constantly becoming clearer and clearer, more and more in the open because they felt the support of the Pope, and they could foresee the victory. So they acted triumphantly. The wild applause when a liberal Cardinal had the floor...yes so much applause! Only murmurs though, when someone of Tradition would begin his address. This they have done. They actually interrupted Cardinal Ottaviani's presentation. What a shame...a veritable battle!
Amongst those 250 liberals ...and 250 conservative Catholics opposing, there was this mass of all these bishops of the Council who would neither read the schema nor work, showing a weak impression of being occupied, looking for the direction of the breeze - if the Pope was for an opinion, immediately they always voted with the Pope, the Pope. They wouldn't inquire , to acquire knowledge. Evidently this was a heavy load for the (religious...) 200, 250 bishops, and the Pope, I noticed, the Pope did not want to pass these schema that would have 200, 250 opposed.
Then at the end, he would include contradictions within the schema, but saying that this declaration changes nothing vis-a-vis traditional teaching of the Church. Ha! Changes at the heart of the docuмents, but professing that traditional doctrine of the Church wasn't altered!? (...) See this contradiction!..."
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Google Translation, AI !! non-official
https://www.seldelaterre.fr/articles/sdt40/recension-de--mgr-marcel-lefebvre-mes-doutes-sur-la-libert%C3%A9-religieuse''...At the end of his reflections on Rome's Response to the Dubia, Archbishop Lefebvre wrote: The false principles of conciliar religious freedom are the same as those of the Declaration of the Rights of Man of 1789: the so-called dignity of man and state atheism. The principles have been condemned many times by the popes, the Church will never be able to admit them. Écône, March 24, 1988 [9]...'''
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