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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Matthew on February 19, 2011, 11:07:20 PM

Title: Archbishop Lefebvre vs. Bishop Fellay
Post by: Matthew on February 19, 2011, 11:07:20 PM
It would be interesting if anyone had the time --

Find quotes from both men, showing how their positions are different, dramatically so in some cases.

If there are indeed differences, it would be good in the interests of truth to know what they are.

Maybe there aren't many differences, and that is why such a document hasn't been created? Or maybe it's subtle, requiring a poetic awareness -- "big picture" perception/intuition -- to notice the difference?

You know, where a thousand little things add up to form a complete picture, but it's hard to explain how you got to the big picture? Poets are good at that, but not everyone.

Anyhow, unfortunately, I have no time for such a task.

Matthew
Title: Archbishop Lefebvre vs. Bishop Fellay
Post by: Ambrose on February 20, 2011, 03:02:29 PM
A very interesting topic.  It seems that Archbishop Lefebvre was much stronger in his thinking that the "conciliar church" was not Catholic, than the current leaders.  It would be interesting to compare this statement with the views of the current SSPX leadership.

Archbishop Lefebvre, June 29, 1976:

    “The Conciliar Church is a schismatic Church, because it breaks with the Catholic Church that has always been. It has its new dogmas, its new priesthood, its new institutions, its new worship, all already condemned by the Church in many a document, official and definitive.

    “This Conciliar Church is schismatic, because it has taken as a basis for its updating, principles opposed to those of the Catholic Church, such as the new concept of the Mass expressed in numbers 5 of the Preface to (the decree) Missale Romanum and 7 of its first chapter, which gives the assembly a priestly role that it cannot exercise; such likewise as the natural — which is to say divine — right of every person and of every group of persons to religious freedom.

    “This right to religious freedom is blasphemous, for it attributes to God purposes that destroy His Majesty, His Glory, His Kingship. This right implies freedom of conscience, freedom of thought, and all the Masonic freedoms.

    “The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is, therefore, not Catholic. To whatever extent Pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.”