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Spiritus Sanctus, are you thinking they are bad popes because of some personal sin of theirs, something we are all guilty of.  Are you thinking they are bad popes because they are heretics?  Fact is a true pope can't be a heretic.  

It's a fact that hasn't yet been established as such by the Church, Spiritus... An objective fact, but not a legal one.

But if people keep pretending these are Popes they won't have a Church very long.  That is what frustratingly few Catholics seem to understand.  You'd think they'd never heard the Leo XIII vision about the devil having a hundred years to destroy the Church.  They look at the smoking ruins of what sits in Rome and think that somehow it's going to change itself?  That's simply denial.  You should see this as an all-out assault by the devil, not as the work of a couple bumbling modernists who just don't know any better... What has happened is far too widespread for that.

There are two drastic conclusions we can choose from.  One is that there has been no Pope for decades ( mine ).  The other is that this monstrosity in Rome is the true Church ( yours ).  Either one is bad; the only question is, which one is true?  But yours is no more moderate or reassuring than mine; far less so, I'd say.  Maybe you think sedes are like Savonarolas, expecting perfection, overly rigid.  But what we're dealing with here is more than just an explosion of risque art.  If these are true Popes, Popes who teach heresies, and not just as private people, then think about what that means.  It means we will never know what the truth is.  That is the real consequence of believing these are Popes.

Non-sede traditionalists act as if there is no Pope.  They certainly don't listen to anything he says.  So they are sedevacantists after their own fashion anyway, whether they admit it to themselves or not.  Come on, Spiritus, would you trust Ratzinger to settle a burning theological dispute, the way Popes are supposed to do?

It has all gone too far now.  I assume God is going to step in to make sure the devil doesn't entirely take over.  Looking at the economic situation it's clear that big things are developing.  The timing of it is amazing.  I will start a thread elsewhere about my new interpretation of Apocalypse 17 and 18 which will send chills up one or two spines, I think.  I believe this book describes everything we're going through.
 

Raoul's perspective is not mine. I do not know who the Pope is at this time. That is different from thinking that a bunch of anti-popes are true popes or that there is no Pope. No one has ever shown any evidence that there even is such a thing as a 'sede vacantist'.

Pope Gregory XVII-- personal choice of Pope Pius XII(XIII){ student and deciple of Cardinal Rampolla]-- was True Pope until his death in 1989. Some say he was murdered. Pope Siri is the only 1958 or 1963 cardinal that can claim to be legally elected.