Author Topic: Archbishop Lefebvre on Sedevacantism (Read 34201 times)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #195 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:28:23 AM »

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That is my whole point. JPII was endorsing the act of worshipping false gods.

"Endorse" implies promoting. Thus an athlete "endorses" a brand name tennis shoe and encourages others to buy and wear it.

That is not what happened at Assisi. The Pope was not encouraging, endorsing, promoting that people join other religions or worship false gods. He preached Jesus Christ at the meeting itself. Obviously through this and countless other of his writings and the fact that he is POPE people can plainly see he is Catholic (sedes aside) and wants people to be Catholic. Obviously we believe he wants people to be Catholic as sort of a pious desire as opposed to Trads who believe it is a necessity.

One can interpret Assisi to mean these things, but I think they have to strain to do so. In fact Assisi appeared to give this impression, but in reality conservative Catholics and even liberal Catholics know the Pope was not actively promoting the joining of non-Catholic religions. If he really did so, don't you think the liberals would be crying this from the roof-tops? Instead they were probably PO'ed he didn't join the pagans in worship.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #196 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:11:30 PM »

The only straining is done by those who seek to explain away the patently obvious.

If I invite a man to my home and provide him with the necessary space, tools, etc., to perform some activity which I know he will perform, am I not ENCOURAGING him to PERFORM said activity?

Voluntary blindness is an ugly thing to behold. To pretend JP2 sought to convert men to the Faith is absurd. His words AND actions confirmed hundreds of millions -- if not 3.5 billion :wink: -- in their errors.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #197 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:00:47 PM »

Indifferentism does not mean the active promotion of JOINING false religions. To pretend as if it does flows from either misunderstanding or bad will.

Indifferentism involves words and/or deeds that make it clear one does not think it really matters which religion you hold and practice, so long as you do so in a sincere manner. This idea -- that all religions are 'more or less good and praiseworthy' -- is at the heart of V2's and JP2's message (and was profoundly incarnated at Assisi). In fact, it is stated word for word in both messages, although it had been condemned word for word by Pius XI and others.

It is about CONFIRMING men in error.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #198 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:26:32 PM »

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The only straining is done by those who seek to explain away the patently obvious.

If I invite a man to my home and provide him with the necessary space, tools, etc., to perform some activity which I know he will perform, am I not ENCOURAGING him to PERFORM said activity?

No. If you have a Muslim staying with you whim you invited to help work on your house and he knows you are a Christian, but you let him use your spare room to say his prayers, are you "encouraging" him to say his prayers? Are you approving of Islam? No. You are simply allowing or tolerating him saying prayers, knowing Jesus Christ is God and he is mistaken, but taknig into account that he is blind to the true reality.

LM · « **Reply #199 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:49:53 PM »

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The only straining is done by those who seek to explain away the patently obvious.

If I invite a man to my home and provide him with the necessary space, tools, etc., to perform some activity which I know he will perform, am I not ENCOURAGING him to PERFORM said activity?

No. If you have a Muslim staying with you whim you invited to help work on your house and he knows you are a Christian, but you let him use your spare room to say his prayers, are you "encouraging" him to say his prayers? Are you approving of Islam? No. You are simply allowing or tolerating him saying prayers, knowing Jesus Christ is God and he is mistaken, but taknig into account that he is blind to the true reality.

What is the intent/purpose/call of the invitation. Is it to have the muslim work on the house, or have the muslim pray.