Author Topic: Our Lady of Fatima May 13th (Read 3024 times)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #10 on:** May 18, 2012, 07:04:55 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Wow. Small world.

In fact, go to your local Novus Ordo church and look for an altar stone in the "table," and about 29 times out of 30, there is no altar stone to be found. Ask the priest, and he'll come up with some kind of excuse.

I wonder if that's in the Third Secret?

This point should not be overlooked.
I know one place where the priest jimmied an altar stone into the back of the modern altar.
See also Michael Rose's book Ugly as Sin.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** May 18, 2012, 10:41:43 AM »

Up until Vatican II many things were universally (but with heretical exception, of course) believed to be untouchable. E.g., The Canon of the Mass, the Rosary, Sacred Tradition, Deposit of Faith, Apostolic sucession, dogmas of the Church, and the principle of the altar stone...

All throughout World War II, even (as before then) priests who would go out into the field of battle to say Mass for the soldiers, such as on the hood of a Jeep, or in a foxhole, or behind a pile of rocks for protection from stray enemy bullets, would always have their altar stone carefully wrapped up and protected from harm, because no corruption is allowed on the stone. If it gets broken, it cannot be used. If it gets chipped or cracked, it cannot be used. So, in a rugged environment like a battlefield, keeping the altar stone safe from harm was essential.

Why all the fuss? Because in order to say a licit Mass, a priest is (was!) always required to first have an altar stone on which the gifts would be placed for the Offertory and Consecration. I can't say "valid," because in the case of deprivation, such as in a POW camp where the priest's belongings have been stripped from him, he can still say a valid Mass, so long as he has something like a fragment of bread and a fragment of wine, and he can remember the essentials of the Mass without having to read from his missal. St. Maximilian Kolbe was believed to have done this in confinement, for the soldiers with him there before he was so terribly killed.

Whether saying Mass on the road, or in a rented hall, or in someone's home, the first thing the priest would set up is the altar stone in the altar. There are numerous ways to do this, and the priests have been trained from antiquity how to do it, but modern new order priests sometimes are entirely ignorant of the topic, and they might not even know what an altar stone is, or have never seen one.

How many ways can the Faith of Catholics be under attack? Does anyone have a list?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2012, 10:52:02 AM »

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One local parish here took the old stone they had, and set it into concrete, IN THE FLOOR, out in the "lobby" (like it's a hotel or something), outside the church (where there is no salvation). There, part of the floor, passers-by step on it, and nobody is aware of its presence. The pastor there assured me the reason was to bring it out into contact with the people, where everyone can appreciate it first hand. Well, nobody appreciates it any more. They step on it, and keep walking.

In retrospect, it seems to me that the pastor who did this nefarious crime was likely a Freemason. One of the ceremonies they require for a candidate to advance from one level to the next, is for him to walk through a room in which a crucifix is lying on the floor, and he must STEP on the crucifix as he walks over it. If the candidate somehow doesn't actually step on the crucifix, he fails the test, and will never advance to any higher level for the rest of his natural days.

But don't think that the leaders will behave any differently. His masters in the room, who are watching his steps, will congratulate him just the same, as if he had done well. No matter if he passes or fails, they will shake his hand vigorously, and praise him for doing well. So he would not know if he did well or not. The power is entirely in the hands of the masters, even the power of knowledge and judgment.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2012, 08:21:09 PM »

I think the message of Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima may illustrate luminously the problems that the faithful are seeing nowadays, especially this question:

What has become of the Church of the Christ?

It is as Our Lady foretold in the third part of the Secret confided to the three holy shepherd children, which was essentially the ultimate accomplishment of the ancient oracle that Ezechiel had given ages ago,:

"Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood planted by the water: her fruit and her branches have grown out of many waters. And she hath strong rods to make sceptres for them that bear rule, and her stature was exalted among the branches: and she saw her height in the multitude of her branches. But she was plucked up in wrath, and cast on the ground, and the burning wind dried up her fruit: her strong rods are withered, and dried up: the fire hath devoured her. And now she is transplanted into the desert, in a land not passable, and dry. And a fire is gone out from a rod of her branches, which hath devoured her fruit: so that she now hath no strong rod, to be a sceptre of rulers. This is a lamentation, and it shall be for a lamentation" (ch. xix., 10-14).

But, as Our Lady had foretold in the now lost part of the Secret, but can be learned from another oracle Ezechiel had announced (for Sr. Lucy was but another Ezechiel, another Elias, becoming the daughter of St. Elias at her profession as a Carmelite Nun):

"Thus saith the Lord God: I myself will take of the marrow of the high cedar, and will set it: I will crop off a tender twig from the top of the branches thereof, and I will plant it on a mountain high and eminent. On the high mountains of Israel will I plant it, and it shall shoot forth into branches, and shall bear fruit, and it shall become a great cedar: and all birds shall dwell under it, and every fowl shall make its nest under the shadow of the branches thereof. And all the trees of the country shall know that I the Lord have brought down the high tree, and exalted the low tree: and have dried up the green tree, and have caused the dry tree to flourish. I the Lord have spoken and have done it" (ch. xvii., 22-24).

Not by artifice or politics, nor by the efforts of finite creatures who think themselves greater than they are, but by the humble ones, who have kept themselves pure in the sight of God and of His Most Holy Mother, shall the Church and civilization be restored to their proper dignity and glory. It shall be those who are devoted to Our Lady completely, and have cultivated the spiritual life as befits the slaves of this celestial Queen and Victress, particularly amongst the clergy, that the Church shall be shown to the world as the only answer to the perils that are menacing it.

Just as it was the humble shepherds who at the first Christmas confessed and adored the Word Incarnate before all the other Jєωιѕн people and before the royal Sages of the East; just as it was a penitent criminal was the last to have confessed and adored the Son of the Eternal Father as He was dying upon the Cross: so it shall be the humble ones, the little ones, who shall repair the immense damage done by the diabolical arrogance of the modernists.