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Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2021, 01:32:57 PM »
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  • It's the theory that makes the most sense to me, but since we are ruled by opinions during the Crisis, I concede that my opinion is not the only one...
    This, taken together with your present signature, paints quite the picture...
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #16 on: July 28, 2021, 01:34:37 PM »
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  • Really weird. The “head of two churches” theory is actually quite nutty and utterly non-Catholic, as Fr. Jenkins well explains in the video. One might even call this wild and desperate theory this: a manifestation of diabolical disorientation.
    But you have to take into consideration that Fr. Jenkins looks at this with the sede mindset. Which is to say that he starts out with an empty chair, and per the sede mindset, the idea of two churches itself is a mere reinforcement of that mindset.
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    « Reply #17 on: July 28, 2021, 01:52:16 PM »
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  • But you have to take into consideration that Fr. Jenkins looks at this with the sede mindset. Which is to say that he starts out with an empty chair, and per the sede mindset, the idea of two churches itself is a mere reinforcement of that mindset.

    Actually, as revealed in multiple episodes of What Catholics Believe, Fr. Jenkins’ mindset is this:

    “I don’t dogmatically say that the postconciliar ‘popes’ aren’t/weren’t actual popes; I just don’t see how they could be.”

    Hence Novus Ordo Watch et. al. accuse him of fence-sitting on the sede issue. 
    -I identify as masked and vaxxed. 
    -Slavish fear is the deadliest virus. 
    -“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power, and of love, and of sobriety.” (2 Tim. 1:7)

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #18 on: July 28, 2021, 01:56:39 PM »
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  • Actually, as revealed in multiple episodes of What Catholics Believe, Fr. Jenkins’ mindset is this:

    “I don’t dogmatically say that the postconciliar ‘popes’ aren’t/weren’t actual popes; I just don’t see how they could be.”

    Hence Novus Ordo Watch et. al. accuse him of fence-sitting on the sede issue.
    I could be wrong but doesn't SSPV confirm new parishioners as sedes before they let them in or give them communion?
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #19 on: July 28, 2021, 02:09:29 PM »
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  • I could be wrong but doesn't SSPV confirm new parishioners as sedes before they let them in or give them communion?

    Unknown. He’s addressed this on at least one program but I forgot what he said.
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #20 on: July 28, 2021, 03:53:38 PM »
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  • Hope this helps!



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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #21 on: July 28, 2021, 04:33:17 PM »
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  • Where does one find the idea of the Pope being the “head of two churches” in pre-V2 theology?

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
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  • Father Jenkins is pretty good!

    General conclusion: There are two different religions within one Church.

    It would mean the sedes are correct about not uttering the name of the newChurch pope during a Tridentine Mass of the real Church.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #23 on: July 28, 2021, 06:48:29 PM »
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  • Father Jenkins is pretty good!

    General conclusion: There are two different religions within one Church.

    It would mean the sedes are correct about not uttering the name of the newChurch pope during a Tridentine Mass of the real Church.

    No no, contra R&R ecumenism, he says it’s impossible for there to be multiple religions within one Church. Thus there can be no “Conciliar Church” and Catholic Church under the same tent. What’s called the “Conciliar Church” is actually institutionalized Modernism, which is “the synthesis of all heresies” and thus entirely non-Catholic.

    Agreed, Fr. Jenkins is quite excellent. 
    -I identify as masked and vaxxed. 
    -Slavish fear is the deadliest virus. 
    -“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power, and of love, and of sobriety.” (2 Tim. 1:7)

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #24 on: July 28, 2021, 07:09:42 PM »
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  • No no, contra R&R ecumenism, he says it’s impossible for there to be multiple religions within one Church. Thus there can be no “Conciliar Church” and Catholic Church under the same tent. What’s called the “Conciliar Church” is actually institutionalized Modernism, which is “the synthesis of all heresies” and thus entirely non-Catholic.

    Agreed, Fr. Jenkins is quite excellent.

    It seems the "Two thrones, one Church" concept was foretold by Pope Leo XIII.  

    Original St. Michael Prayer

    “These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


     

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