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Author Topic: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio  (Read 5868 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2023, 08:03:14 AM »
Eh, no:

While you’re under the bed hiding from Viganò’s Hitman, consider this:

1) He obviously didn’t want to alienate American conservatives, and therefore didn’t lay into Trump;

2) Saying Trump wouldn’t have allowed the pandemic farce simply pertained to destroying the economy, the lockdown nonsense, the abuse of emergency powers, etc (which is all true).

Indeed, while I think he was a little too hopeful about Trump's good intentions, he's a trained diplomat and he knows how Trump thinks.  He knows that if you criticize the guy, his fragile ego will cause him to double down on the opposite of what you want him to do.  So he tries praising him for whatever good he has done, hoping to reinforce it.  And, on one level at least, it worked.  Trump was boasting of this "great letter" from +Vigano on Twitter.  But even in that letter, he chose his words carefully and stated that he "dared hope" that Trump was on the side of good.  Trump remains a bit of a mystery, where at some times one might "dare hope" that he has some good intentions, and that he's simply being manipulated by his handlers, especially the Jews that bailed out his businesses, and that he's not the brightest bulb sometimes.  Even with the jab, it's possible that someone convinced him that the jab would save lives, and you could see how he was driven by his ego, where he wanted to be remembered, as his legacy, for having "saved America" from COVID.  That's the level at which that means seems to operate, and +Vigano knows it.  Had +Vigano released a scathing attack on Trump, as Miser would want, he would have shown +Vigano his middle digit and then deliberately do the OPPOSITE of what +Vigano wanted.  St. Thomas even explains when discussing the issue of rebuking the sinner that we are only required to do so when we believe the sinner might amend, and even says that there are times we would be required to refrain from rebuking when we think that the sinner might become even more stubborn, and double down on his sin.  That's precisely what +Vigano was doing.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2023, 08:11:35 AM »
be they Catholic, Protestant, Jєωιѕн, etc.

are "Children of Light".

This, like most of your other nonsense, has been repeatedly debunked.  This expression comes from St. Augustine in the City of God and it describes not only Catholics but those who are of good will and in the process of moving toward God and the Church, even if they're not there yet.  Your ignorance about and misinterpretation of the term is not +Vigano's fault.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2023, 08:14:32 AM »
I was saying the same thing to my brother earlier; why hasn’t Vigano been punished yet by the communist in white?

Punished how?  He's no longer active in any capacity in the Conciliar Church.  Jorge could try to excommunicate him or something along those lines, but the only thing it would accomplish is to give even more publicity to +Vigano and what he's saying.  But, then, I don't believe Jorge even believes that excommunication is even "a thing".

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Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2023, 08:24:27 AM »
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all Trump supporters, be they Catholic, Protestant, Jєωιѕн, etc. are "Children of Light".
2 points, 1 practical, 1 spiritual.


1.  The old, war saying applies here:  "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Catholics, protestants and Jєωs (and even muslims, etc) who are of good-will and oppose globo-homo evils are our (natural, political) friends.  When times get tough, these are the people who will band together and resist global communism.  We can't pray with them but they may give us a bag of rice when times get tough.  

2.  They may convert in the future and become our true (spiritual) friends in Christ, through the Church.

I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me...And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.  (Jn 10:14-16)

There are many good-willed people still in the world (who try to follow the natural law) and God will convert them, in His time.  It's our job to pray and sacrifice for them, not to chastise, judge and give up on them.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2023, 08:32:16 AM »
2 points, 1 practical, 1 spiritual.


1.  The old, war saying applies here:  "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Catholics, protestants and Jєωs (and even muslims, etc) who are of good-will and oppose globo-homo evils are our (natural, political) friends.  When times get tough, these are the people who will band together and resist global communism.  We can't pray with them but they may give us a bag of rice when times get tough. 

2.  They may convert in the future and become our true (spiritual) friends in Christ, through the Church.

I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me...And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.  (Jn 10:14-16)

There are many good-willed people still in the world (who try to follow the natural law) and God will convert them, in His time.  It's our job to pray and sacrifice for them, not to chastise, judge and give up on them.

Right, this is precisely the sense in which Saint Augustine used the term (it's where it comes from) in City of God.