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Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2023, 05:47:44 PM »
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  • Behold the shill who's on the wrong side of every issue, from Feeneyism, Ukraine situation, +Vigano, and even Flat Earth.  Maybe you can denounce Miser for being a Flat Earther also.  But you're just doing and promoting the work of Satan while pretending to be good, having put your lies and dishonestly on display time and again.  Most people are a mix, but you're consistently wrong about everything due to your bad will.

    Wow, what a whopper! You should follow Jordan Peterson's advice and take your meds and clean your room. Miser does a lot of good work and has never made her Flat Earther beliefs a problem (to my knowledge), but the same can't be said for you and your beliefs. You are constantly pushing your ideas from a position of authority on too many different topics than a person could be reasonably expected to manage. Perhaps the rest of your post is projection on your part, but I think it's more likely that you are just old and opinionated.

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #16 on: July 03, 2023, 06:28:56 PM »
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  • Has he changed his mind on false religions and who the Antichrist will be?


    See this video at the 7:31 mark

    https://youtu.be/nES89qnv9x8?t=450

    He says:





    ARCHBISHOP VIGANÒ OMITS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH IN LETTER TO RABBI
    (from the comments)
    Vigano not only failed to mention Christ, the true Jєωιѕн Messiah but falsely stated that Israel is NOT looking for an anti-Christ, when it is exactly what Israel is looking for!


    https://www.fromrome.info/2020/05/27/archbishop-vigano-omits-faith-in-jesus-christ-and-the-church-in-letter-to-rabbi/


    Good example, miser. I may not agree with you about a lot of things, but there is something not right with +Vigano. I don't think I'd go so far as to refer to him as controlled opposition, since it's difficult to know that for sure, but +Vigano is a little too smooth - he says all the things that trads want to hear. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #17 on: July 03, 2023, 06:45:00 PM »
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  • Wow, what a whopper! You should follow Jordan Peterson's advice and take your meds and clean your room. Miser does a lot of good work and has never made her Flat Earther beliefs a problem (to my knowledge), but the same can't be said for you and your beliefs. You are constantly pushing your ideas from a position of authority on too many different topics than a person could be reasonably expected to manage. Perhaps the rest of your post is projection on your part, but I think it's more likely that you are just old and opinionated.

    :laugh1: ... you're too dumb to know that you have it exactly backwards.  When I take a position on something, I make actual logical arguments, adduce evidence, etc.  You on the other hand deride and dismiss "Feeneyism" and "Flat Earth" with a wave of your hand, declaring them ridiculous and absurd, and yet you've not made any substantial arguments about any of it, having spent little time on anything other than your Jewkrainian shilling.  THAT is what constitutes pretending to write from authority.  And, of course, Miser's Flat Earth position is different from my Flat Earth position somehow.  As for being "old," yeah, that means I've spent years considering, pondering, and arguing these positions.  It's better to be old and opinionated, after you've spent years reflecting on various matters, than to be young an opinionated, from a position of crass ignorance.  So when I say yes Feeeyism, yes Flat Earth, I'm "opionated", while when you say no Feeneyism, no Flat Earth, you're just "right".  It would be laughable if it weren't so tragically absurd.

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #18 on: July 03, 2023, 06:47:51 PM »
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  • Has he changed his mind on false religions and who the Antichrist will be?


    See this video at the 7:31 mark

    https://youtu.be/nES89qnv9x8?t=450

    He says:





    ARCHBISHOP VIGANÒ OMITS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH IN LETTER TO RABBI
    (from the comments)
    Vigano not only failed to mention Christ, the true Jєωιѕн Messiah but falsely stated that Israel is NOT looking for an anti-Christ, when it is exactly what Israel is looking for!


    https://www.fromrome.info/2020/05/27/archbishop-vigano-omits-faith-in-jesus-christ-and-the-church-in-letter-to-rabbi/

    If this was a good example it would be a recent comment from him. +Vigano has already condemn religious freedom and the Jєωs. Although it is true, as far as I know, he has not specifically said "Jєωs". He is clearly talking about them in his letters.

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #19 on: July 03, 2023, 06:50:33 PM »
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  • You could say the same of Jesus Christ.

    That tells me he’s on the right track.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #20 on: July 03, 2023, 06:50:42 PM »
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  • If this was a good example it would be a recent comment from him. Vigano has already condemn religious freedom and the jews. Although it is true, as far as I know, he has not specifically said "jews". He is clearly talking about them in his letters.

    No allowance can be made for people learning and maturing.  St. Augustine had an entire book of "Corrections" he published later in life.  +Vigano has only been a Traditional Catholic for a few years, while these others criticizing him have been impeccable since birth.

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #21 on: July 03, 2023, 06:52:17 PM »
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  • No allowance can be made for people learning and maturing.  St. Augustine had an entire book of "Corrections" he published later in life.  +Vigano has only been a Traditional Catholic for a few years, while these others criticizing him have been impeccable since birth.
    They obviously do not listen to St. Peter because he denied Christ.

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #22 on: July 03, 2023, 07:19:22 PM »
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  • No allowance can be made for people learning and maturing.  St. Augustine had an entire book of "Corrections" he published later in life.  +Vigano has only been a Traditional Catholic for a few years, while these others criticizing him have been impeccable since birth.

    I'm willing to give him a chance, but will he ask a real Bishop (like Williamson or Faure) to consecrate him using the traditional Rite? Then he could do some good by properly ordaining in the traditional rite all of those New Rite cancelled priests.


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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #23 on: July 03, 2023, 07:25:08 PM »
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  • I'm willing to give him a chance, but will he ask a real Bishop (like Williamson or Faure) to consecrate him using the traditional Rite? Then he could do some good by properly ordaining in the traditional rite all of those New Rite cancelled priests.
    I will pray that this happens! It's great that he's at least a valid priest, but him receiving a conditional consecration would be such a blessing.

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #24 on: July 03, 2023, 07:43:36 PM »
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  • Well, if those quotes from Vigano are too old then why were Sean and Lad praising him back then and calling him "papabile"?  Are they clairvoyant?

    Also, when will he stop meeting with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin and parroting the same talking points about Moscow being the Third Rome and the Katechon?


    When he meets with Dugin does he denounce his plans?


    Dugin:
    It is necessary to dismantle Catholicism from the inside, strengthen Polish Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, support destructive secular movements, and promote heterodox and anti-papal Christianity. Catholicism cannot be absorbed into our tradition unless it is deeply reoriented in a nationalistic and anti-papal direction. If a lodge like the Irish Golden Dawn operated in Poland, whose leaders, e.g. William Butler Yeats or Maud Gonne, were Catholics on the one hand, and fanatical occultists inspired by Celtic culture on the other, then one might have some hope. Such people could dismantle Catholicism from within and reorient it in a more heterodox and even esoteric direction. My friends in Poland tell me that there are such groups in your country that are related to telemism or the achievements of Alistair Crowley.

    https://www.fronda.pl/a/aleksander-dugin-czekam-na-iwana-groznego,45653.html



    Dugin has plans to dismantle the papacy from within.


    Why would Vigano plan the future of humanity with Dugin?





    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #25 on: July 03, 2023, 07:49:51 PM »
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  • Please provide a source. Most of us are shut out of Twitter.

    It was posted on Archbishop Vigano's Twitter account.


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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #26 on: July 03, 2023, 09:47:34 PM »
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  • :jester: ... you're too dumb to know that you have it exactly backwards.  When I take a position on something, I make actual logical arguments, adduce evidence, etc.  You on the other hand deride and dismiss "Feeneyism" and "Flat Earth" with a wave of your hand, declaring them ridiculous and absurd, and yet you've not made any substantial arguments about any of it, having spent little time on anything other than your Jewkrainian shilling.  THAT is what constitutes pretending to write from authority.

    Well, no, it doesn't work that way. Someone can have an opinion without assuming an authoritative position. This is some fantasy you have drawn up in your mind, but it doesn't exist in reality. I may also have a good reason for not commenting in your threads, but you never bothered to ask for it. Your assumptions about my person are just as bad as many of your other assumptions in your fields of "expertise." Sad!

    And, of course, Miser's Flat Earth position is different from my Flat Earth position somehow.

    You failed to understand my simple explanation once again. ::shock::

    As for being "old," yeah, that means I've spent years considering, pondering, and arguing these positions.  It's better to be old and opinionated, after you've spent years reflecting on various matters, than to be young an opinionated, from a position of crass ignorance.  So when I say yes Feeeyism, yes Flat Earth, I'm "opionated", while when you say no Feeneyism, no Flat Earth, you're just "right".  It would be laughable if it weren't so tragically absurd.

    Something is definitely absurd here, yes. You should read back to my original post and take the beginning advice.

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #27 on: July 03, 2023, 11:51:57 PM »
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  • Please provide a source. Most of us are shut out of Twitter.
    I say ditto.
    However this screed has the new site exsurgedomine.org at the base and so I tracked that down and came up with exsurgedomine.it/docuмenti. There is a section Inglese which makes very interesting reading. The site is for the benefit of priests and religious who are suffering under the Bergolian persecution.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #28 on: July 04, 2023, 12:48:53 AM »
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  • Herein +Vigano says, “ One wonders if the antichrist is not seated already on the throne of Peter.

    THE EXSURGE DOMINE ASSOCIATION IS BORN - Video in English - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rQNankcvXU&t=10s&pp=2AEKkAIB
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Antipope Jorge Bergoglio
    « Reply #29 on: July 04, 2023, 01:49:06 AM »
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  • Herein +Vigano says, “ One wonders if the antichrist is not seated already on the throne of Peter.

    THE EXSURGE DOMINE ASSOCIATION IS BORN - Video in English - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rQNankcvXU&t=10s&pp=2AEKkAIB


    Well, if Bergoglio is the Anti-Christ he didn't fool the elect but only those that were already fooled.

    One would expect the AC to be more crafty and likable.

    Vigano's collaborator in planning the future of humanity, Dugin,






    (Yes, I can see why a Traditional Catholic prelate would want to share the stage and collaborate with him!)




    has his own scheme for how the whole Antichrist narrative will play out.


    Here he explains how it's time to pivot,

    not unlike Vigano,

    from modernism to Traditionalism:


    "Dugin is obsessed with the idea of bringing the world to a purgatory apocalypse, after which the Great Eurasian Empire of the End will be born. And he has quite consistently pursued this goal.

    When the “conservative turn” dawned, Dugin moved away from occult postmodernism, focusing instead on the topic of “tradition,” for which there was a sudden demand. "


    https://www.e-flux.com/notes/487550/dugin-s-black-mass


    Pivot and control the masses with social engineering...

    PLAY BOTH SIDES.




    Dugin wrote in one of his books:"American Empire should be destroyed. And at one point, it will be" and "Spiritually, globalisation is the creation of a grand parody, the Kingdom of Antichrist. And USA is the centre of its espansion".


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    Here an article titled "Putin's Geopolitical Brain" explains Dugin's vision of Russia as the Katechon and the Third Rome. 


    The mystical imperative informing this vision of Eurasianism reflects the important role the concept of the katechon plays in Dugin’s, and, by extension, Putin’s geopolitical thought and the decision to invade Ukraine. In his Second Letter to the Thessalonians, St Paul wrote that a katechon would be necessary to ‘restrain’ the ‘lawless one’, namely the Antichrist, during the last days prior to Christ’s Second Coming. The pluralistic ideal of multiple Grossraum, therefore, was not only geopolitical, but also apocalyptic. Multipolarity, Dugin believes, following Carl Schmitt who first elaborated the notion, is necessary to restrain the more destructive features of liberal universalism through the mutual recognition of friends and enemies against the Antichrist of world unity.

    Dugin’s 1997 article, ‘Katechon and Revolution’ introduced Schmitt’s notion to a Russian audience. It was well received. Indeed, it revived a long-standing tradition of invoking the katechon in the Russian Orthodox Church. Imperial Russian Orthodox faith had long assumed the concept of Moscow as a Third Rome.

    https://www.cieo.org.uk/research/putins-geopolitical-brain/


    Dugin has been talking about that for quite a while now...


    Why would Vigano also describe Russia as the Katechon and the Third Rome???

    This is blasphemy.

    Church Fathers and other notable Catholic theologians declare the PAPACY and Catholic Church is the Katechon.



    That by removing the papacy the Antichrist can reign.



    It appears that Crowleyan Satanist Dugin has been planning this removal of the Katechon (the papacy) for quite a while so that Moscow can become the Third Rome

    and now Vigano shares the same view.


    The "Antichrist of World Unity"?

    Now that's something to look out for.  Isn't that the goal of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and the United Nations?

    And Vigano has said more than once that Trump could negotiate a peace deal to usher in the


    Peaceful Coexistence of EQUAL Nations.

    Yes, that's a political term used by Lenin and Khrushchev and the United Nations.


    They certainly seem to have a lot in common.

    They met again at this event:

    Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò

    Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America

    to the

    Founding Congress

    of the International Movement of Russophiles (MIR)

    Moscow, March 14, 2023


    So many common interests to discuss...






    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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