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Offline MyrnaM

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« on: July 24, 2010, 08:13:47 PM »
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    Interesting about the papal tiara at the moment of the coronation, the new pope was crowned with the words

    Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns and know that thou art Father of princes and kings, Ruler of the world, Vicar of our Saviour Jesus Christ.

    Pope Paul VI opted for a significantly shorter ceremony. As with all other modern coronations, the ceremony itself was only symbolic, as the person involved became Pope and Bishop of Rome the moment he accepted his canonical election in the papal conclave. The two subsequent popes (John Paul I and John Paul II) abandoned the monarchial coronation, opting instead for an investiture. In 2005, Pope Benedict XVI took a step further and removed the tiara from the papal coat of arms, replacing it with a mitre.
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    « Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 08:52:53 AM »
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  • On certain solemn occasions and at non-religious  functions, the Holy Father wears the triple-crowned papal tiara, a tall head-dress, which is a combination of mitre and crown, made of cloth of silver and bearing three gold circlets or crowns, the whole being decorated with man precious stones.  The tiara with its triple crown signifies the pope’s three-fold office as teacher, law-giver, and judge.  In other words the Papal Tiara is a sign of a true Pope’s authority, the three crowns representing the dogmatic, liturgical and disciplinary authority of a Pope.  “The tiara is just a symbol. But sometimes symbols mold reality in their image.”  The Papal Tiara is the crown of the papacy. For over one millennium all popes were crowned with a tiara in a Papal Coronation. The tiara is one of the key symbols of the papacy, so why was it given away?
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    « Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 09:00:26 AM »
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  • I see you're thinking hard today, Myrna.  I'm off to Mass now and I will see if anything occurs to me.
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    « Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 09:16:22 AM »
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  • The thought occurs to me they are deliberately trying to diminish the power of the Papacy in order to appeal to this one world church they are trying to create.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 09:32:19 AM »
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  • They are not true Popes. That's why.
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    « Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 10:41:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: PartyIsOver221
    They are not true Popes. That's why.
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    Exactly!  Speaking of authority: Apocalypse 13, "And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon its horns ten diadems, and upon its heads blasphemous names, And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, and its feet were like the feet of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion, And the dragon gave it his own might and great authority."  (Vatican II ???)
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    « Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 12:45:51 PM »
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  • Only two things occurred to me.  Just as the papal tiara is a sign, getting rid of it is also a sign.

    One thing you can count on with satan.  He will never stand in for God.  He always stands for himself and where he reigns, his work will be done.  Like abandoning the mission of the Church.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 05:03:57 PM »
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  • MOVING RIGHT ALONG:

    Pope Pius X demanded that all priests take an oath called “The Anti-Modernism Oath, of 1910 which contains the rejection of all the essential errors of Modernism about revelation and Faith.  It says, among other things: “I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport . . . . .I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source.  By this assent, because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be true what has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our Creator and Lord.”

    http://tinyurl.com/aaw34n

    So why was this oath on Modernism,  in fact repudiating Modernism, abolished after Vatican II?
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    « Reply #8 on: July 26, 2010, 07:54:26 PM »
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  • Another good read on the Oath against Modernism

    http://www.cmri.org/95prog9.htm
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    « Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 04:17:49 PM »
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  • ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ APRIL 20, 1884

    4. The Roman Pontiffs Our predecessors, in their incessant watchfulness over the safety of the Christian people, were prompt in detecting the presence and the purpose of this capital enemy immediately it sprang into the light instead of hiding as a dark conspiracy; and, moreover, they took occasion with true foresight to give, as it were on their guard, and not allow themselves to be caught by the devices and snares laid out to deceive them.
    5. The first warning of the danger was given by Clement XII in the year 1738,[3] and his constitution was confirmed and renewed by Benedict XIV.[4] Pius VII followed the same path;[5] and Leo XII, by his apostolic constitution, Quo Graviora,[6] put together the acts and decrees of former Pontiffs on this subject, and ratified and confirmed them forever. In the same sense spoke Pius VIII,[7] Gregory XVI,[8] and, many times over, Pius IX.[9]
    6. For as soon as the constitution and the spirit of the masonic sect were clearly discovered by manifest signs of its actions, by the investigation of its causes, by publication of its laws, and of its rites and commentaries, with the addition often of the personal testimony of those who were in the secret, this apostolic see denounced the sect of the Freemasons, and publicly declared its constitution, as contrary to law and right, to be pernicious no less to Christendom than to the State; and it forbade any one to enter the society, under the penalties which the Church is wont to inflict upon exceptionally guilty persons. The sectaries, indignant at this, thinking to elude or to weaken the force of these decrees, partly by contempt of them, and partly by calumny, accused the sovereign Pontiffs who had passed them either of exceeding the bounds of moderation in their decrees or of decreeing what was not just. This was the manner in which they endeavored to elude the authority and the weight of the apostolic constitutions of Clement XII and Benedict XIV, as well as of Pius VII and Pius IX.[10] Yet, in the very society itself, there were to be found men who unwillingly acknowledged that the Roman Pontiffs had acted within their right, according to the Catholic doctrine and discipline. The Pontiffs received the same assent, and in strong terms, from many princes and heads of governments, who made it their business either to delate the masonic society to the apostolic see, or of their own accord by special enactments to brand it as pernicious, as, for example, in Holland, Austria, Switzerland, Spain, Bavaria, Savoy, and other parts of Italy.
    Entire docuмent      http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13human.htm

    So why then did John Paul II new Canon Law lift the excommunication of Freemasons.  
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